^^ This. You take it one step at a time. The OP mentioned the action screws were loose and he (probably) was over cleaning the rifle. Fix these 2 items, and then see where we stand. It's a hunting rifle, not a BR rifle.

It seems there are a few people that get involved in a topic and turn it upside down. Why? What's the point?

Like I said back at the beginning of this thread, I'm still learning to tighten groups through working on proper technique. If after I get my technique down, I'm able to shoot 1" groups, I won't spend an extra dime or minute working on my gun to get it more accurate than that. The way I see it is, if a gun is performing the way I want, why spend an extra dime to make it do more. It's a hunting rifle. To me, it would be like putting a turbocharger in a car that you drive to church and back. It will make it perform better, but it's unnecessary. Not everybody has unlimited funds to spend on a rifle, so get it where you are happy with it, an quit spending money.

Just don't get it, it is ok it is your money.

Really recommending a rifle be bedded is turning a thread upside down?

I'll add, if I can't get my groups where I'm happy with them, I'll look into ways to accurize the rifle, including bedding. But I'm confident I can get it where I want it without it.

Nobody is arguing that bedding a rifle won't make it shoot better. But if you are happy with where it's add, why spend the time and money.

No acting like your God and saying bedding is the only way and everyone who disagrees is an idiot is turning a thread upside down.

To most everyone who has posted on this topic, you do not understand bedding, the proper use, why it is done now, action bedding, free floating a barrel or complete barrel bedding or partial barrel bedding or pillar bedding or how to tighten action screws on a Win 70 and whether the same procedure is done on a pre vs post 1964 model. Someone does not understand McMillan stocks, you may own them but that doesn't mean you understand McMillan. And how you can compare a $500-900 custom stock to a factory stock is beyond me. Many have forgotten why we have fiberglass stocks and how the rifle manufacturers sold you a bill of goods to save them money. Instead of trying to help everyone is defending their personal belief.

I'll be the first to admit that I'm in way over my head when it comes to this kind of stuff. But again, the root of this whole discussion isnt wether bedding actually helps. I think we all agree it's going help. But the discussion seems to be, if you are happy with the way a rifle shoots, is it really necessary to bed the action. Guys just saying "will it hurt?" Aren't helping the discussion. Of course it won't make it worse. But if you are perfectly pleased with your groups, it's unnecessary to bed it. Now give that same rifle to a guy who wants to get more accuracy out of it, and he may feel bedding it is necessary. But an imbedded rifle can be accurate enough for its user.

No one is acting like god, lol. Some talk out both sides of their mouth. Oh it is just a hunting rifle and next sentence is about the lil bitty groups. I am pretty sure a dead animal could care if bedded or not, so if it is just a hunting rifle why discuss the little bitty groups.

I like to have the best odds on making a shot I need to make on an animal I want, so I do everything I can to make the rifle as good a tool as it can be in case the real factor (loose but behind trigger) doesn't do everything as perfect

Telling people- fail, Grow up little man and post something useful once in awhile, and preaching about comparing BR rifles to hunting guns while being rude doing it. WTF? Go circle jerk with the BR guys then.

A hunting rifle does not "have" to be bedded to shoot good. Sure, bedding will generally help improve consistency and accuracy (but I've seen some crappy bedding jobs that made things worse). But it's not a requirement. Unbedded factory rifles can still shoot very well. If the OP states he's over cleaning a rifle and the action screws are loose, then fix those 2 issues first, then go re-shoot the rifle and see if that improves the accuracy, which it probably will. You don't "have" to bed the thing. If the rifle doesn't like the ammo he's shooting, then a bedding job won't do squat. Comparing a BR rifle to a factory hunting gun is pointless. Yes, they are both still a rifle. But a person doesn't have to add all the bells and whistles to get a factory rifle to shoot.

Sure, you may know how to shoot and may be the best shooter to hit ticks off deer balls at 1K yards. But being rude is uncalled for. It seems there are a few people here that every time they post something, it turns into a bad thread and name calling. So, why?

My point exactly.

Some have lower tolerance for ignorance especially when they act like they know everything, which I do not, but I certainly know having a rifle bedded properly is a positive!

Its kinda hard to argue with the repeatable achievements of some of the ignorant people who don't know anything.

Different strokes for different folks, there is more than one way to skin a cat. If you want to bed it fine that's great, but there is plenty of proof out there that bedding is not required for hunting level accuracy.

The gun has loose screws, to me bedding it before you try it with correctly tightened screws is like having the transmission in your truck rebuilt before you check to see if it is low on fluid.

If it was my rifle, I'd torque the guard screws properly then shoot it to see what happens, in the interest of knowing. I've bedded every singe rifle I own and shoot with any frequency because I DO think it will improve them virtually every time and it has never made a rifle shoot worse...a few never did improve though. If I ever buy a rifle that shoots 1/4-MOA out of the box (and I am not holding my breath!) I'll probably think it over for quite a while.

All I am saying is that I think better to change one thing at a time and find out how it effects the gun. I prefer to not find myself wondering what I've done right.

More like adding mud tires to a 4x4 rather than street tires.

I just have em bedded before I ever shoot them and then no worries

But the OPs rifle is not a Remington. It may actually shoot without replacing or reworking every part.

Just kidding. I like what you've done with your rifles.

May or may not but bedding makes sure everything fits the exact same way when you do torque the screws

Absolutely. Troubleshooting 101 teaches to check all the easy and most common issues first before moving on to the more complex possibilities. Doesn't start. Does it have gas? Won't shoot decent groups. Was the scope mounted correctly?

Still, IMO, 99% of hunters will be satisfied with their groups given a good rifle and ammo and correctly installed scope.

Yup.

as if there aren't some big ole egos on this side as well

All this back and forth chatter over shooting tight groups has me wanting to make a trip to the range.

I just want my new gun to come in!

Childish way of trying to get a rise.