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Re: The real story behind the 6.5 Creedmoor
[Re: Texas Dan]
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08/07/23 11:52 PM
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David Maas
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If there's one thing this forum needs, it's the ability to create a post without allowing comments like FB and other online sources do. There are times when the intention is only to share information for what it's worth and that alone. Serious question, does your wife allow you to talk when she's around?
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Re: The real story behind the 6.5 Creedmoor
[Re: Texas Dan]
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08/08/23 01:08 AM
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Re: The real story behind the 6.5 Creedmoor
[Re: Smokey Bear]
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08/08/23 01:38 AM
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What I was alluding to: The swede is reported to have 11% more case capacity. In my tests with my brass I get 10%. Initially it was loaded between 55k-62k psi. Saami watered it down to 51k psi. It makes more velocity with less pressure than the creedmoor. Loading for modern rifles to the pressure it was designed around, it leaves the creedmoor behind. Because it is a mid length cartridge, it is loaded in a long action. That long action allows handloaders to seat long heavy high BC Bullets like the ELD long, where they perform best, since they are not limited by a short action rifle. If you like speed, which I do, the sweede will push a 130 at 270win velocity but will hold onto it further and drift less in the wind. The 6.5 creedmoor does what the 6.5x55 does, but not as well. You are comparing a cartridge that belongs in a long action to a cartridge that belongs in a short action. If we are going to compare long action cartridges, let's go get a 6.5X284, and a 6.5-06, and a 6.5-06 A.I. All having the same .473" bolt face. Then look at those next to the 6.5X55 Otherwise, you were stacking the deck in your favor. Tampering with the voting machines, and adding late night ballots.
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Re: The real story behind the 6.5 Creedmoor
[Re: Texas Dan]
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08/08/23 02:47 AM
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Was not me that ever claimed they were ballistic twins. That was someone else. What I said was first the 260, then the 6.5 Creedmoor both tried to do the same things the 6.5x55 does so well. Both are close. Neither are as good unless you want to shoot factory ammunition. That doesn’t apply to me. I will add that I don’t see any special magic a short action adds to the numbers after the bolt is closed. The magic of the 6.5 Creedmoor is giving the non reloader something to use to play with modern optics and range finders that previously was primarily the domain of hand loaders. Hornady used the 6.5 Creedmoor to bull their way into the market of Federals very good Gold Metal Match ammunition without going head to head in .223 or .308. That is the lick Hornady hit.
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Re: The real story behind the 6.5 Creedmoor
[Re: kry226]
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08/08/23 04:49 AM
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Judd, is that you? No, I made it 1:45
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Re: The real story behind the 6.5 Creedmoor
[Re: Texas Dan]
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08/08/23 05:04 AM
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Smokey Bear---Lone Star State.
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Re: The real story behind the 6.5 Creedmoor
[Re: Judd]
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08/08/23 10:57 AM
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Judd, is that you? No, I made it 1:45
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Re: The real story behind the 6.5 Creedmoor
[Re: Texas Dan]
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08/08/23 01:16 PM
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Spomer has been trying to be relevant for the past 10 years at least. He hasn't done it yet. You can take anything he says with a grain of salt.
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Re: The real story behind the 6.5 Creedmoor
[Re: Jgraider]
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08/08/23 05:10 PM
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Spomer has been trying to be relevant for the past 10 years at least. He hasn't done it yet. You can take anything he says with a grain of salt. Every time he pops up on a FB feed I think of texas dan! Trys so hard to be relevant.. This made me laugh, especially the comments above when the wife talks!!! Only reason I take a pass through the texas dan posts!!! Yall keep’em coming I need a good laugh!
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Re: The real story behind the 6.5 Creedmoor
[Re: Texas Dan]
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08/08/23 07:41 PM
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Re: The real story behind the 6.5 Creedmoor
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08/08/23 08:56 PM
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The biggest part I don’t get is why all the hate for such a good cartridge, especially on here. It seems like everybody should love it, sit by your feeder a 100 yds out, can’t miss. Shoot some steel at 500, works great. Feeds well in an AR platform. It’s almost a no brainer. It's a lot like Crossfit. Crossfit is actually a really good workout and has many positives. The problem is the first, second, and third rule of Crossfit is 'You must tell everyone about Crossfit'. So, much like the Creedmoor, you had a few people try it and then go out and proclaim it to be the absolute pinnacle of performance. Many times those idiots had no idea what they were saying or whether it was accurate. This causes many to turn a deaf ear and some to become militant in their ridicule of all things Crossfit (or Creedmoor) because they're tired of hearing the noise. The problem is they shouldn't be ridiculing the cartridge, but instead, the idiots that wouldn't shut up.
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Re: The real story behind the 6.5 Creedmoor
[Re: QuitShootinYoungBucks]
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08/08/23 11:04 PM
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J.G.
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The biggest part I don’t get is why all the hate for such a good cartridge, especially on here. It seems like everybody should love it, sit by your feeder a 100 yds out, can’t miss. Shoot some steel at 500, works great. Feeds well in an AR platform. It’s almost a no brainer. It's a lot like Crossfit. Crossfit is actually a really good workout and has many positives. The problem is the first, second, and third rule of Crossfit is 'You must tell everyone about Crossfit'. So, much like the Creedmoor, you had a few people try it and then go out and proclaim it to be the absolute pinnacle of performance. Many times those idiots had no idea what they were saying or whether it was accurate. This causes many to turn a deaf ear and some to become militant in their ridicule of all things Crossfit (or Creedmoor) because they're tired of hearing the noise. The problem is they shouldn't be ridiculing the cartridge, but instead, the idiots that wouldn't shut up. Nailed it!
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Re: The real story behind the 6.5 Creedmoor
[Re: Texas Dan]
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08/09/23 01:31 AM
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I know it wasn’t your goal but I will forever use this reference. You certainly nailed my feelings on the subject.
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Re: The real story behind the 6.5 Creedmoor
[Re: QuitShootinYoungBucks]
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08/09/23 02:08 PM
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Judd
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The biggest part I don’t get is why all the hate for such a good cartridge, especially on here. It seems like everybody should love it, sit by your feeder a 100 yds out, can’t miss. Shoot some steel at 500, works great. Feeds well in an AR platform. It’s almost a no brainer. It's a lot like Crossfit. Crossfit is actually a really good workout and has many positives. The problem is the first, second, and third rule of Crossfit is 'You must tell everyone about Crossfit'. So, much like the Creedmoor, you had a few people try it and then go out and proclaim it to be the absolute pinnacle of performance. Many times those idiots had no idea what they were saying or whether it was accurate. This causes many to turn a deaf ear and some to become militant in their ridicule of all things Crossfit (or Creedmoor) because they're tired of hearing the noise. The problem is they shouldn't be ridiculing the cartridge, but instead, the idiots that wouldn't shut up. True...it's easier to hate both the player and the game
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Re: The real story behind the 6.5 Creedmoor
[Re: Judd]
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08/09/23 07:07 PM
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Nuff said…. Seriously, it’s the internet legends and Texas Dan’s internet “experts” is why I hate the Gaymoor. Most aren’t knowledgeable enough to realize it’s not that special and quite frankly is anemic. But factory ammo shooters believe it’s signs of the second coming. Now, neck that dude down to 22 or 6 and magic happens but that’s because it picks up a whole bunch of speed. There, fixed it and made it historically accurate for you. they/them/it stuff is far more recent woke nonsense than 6.5 CM.
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Re: The real story behind the 6.5 Creedmoor
[Re: Texas Dan]
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08/09/23 07:15 PM
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Good lord this thread went south quick LOL. The 6.5 Creedmoor really does bring out strong opinions in everyone . If only everyone would put 100k behind their strong opinions on the matter (and their personal skill obviously), someone here could walk away with some decent spending cash
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Re: The real story behind the 6.5 Creedmoor
[Re: Buzzsaw]
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08/09/23 09:01 PM
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I've yet to shoot anything that hasn't died fast with the 143ELDX. YMMV I reload 129 gr. Interlocks, 123 gr. SST's and 90 gr. V-MAX for my CM and all of them are very accurate and very deadly on the varmints, vermin and whitetail deer around here in Central Texas. I have found the caliber to be easy to reload, and love the fact that it is so "forgiving," as far as reloading goes. Just about any combination of powder and bullets come together quickly to produce good groups. Why people "hate" an inanimate object like a firearm caliber is a mystery to me. What not spend your time hating Democrats. . .
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Re: The real story behind the 6.5 Creedmoor
[Re: Texas Dan]
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08/09/23 09:33 PM
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I never go for a heart shot on a hog, I prefer neck, down and back from the ear. On this one, I really wanted to kill him, and as soon as I dropped my bipod, hit the ground, found him in my scope, armpit/heart was where the cross hairs landed. Had I cut him open, I'm sure his heart would have been mush. 90% of the hogs I kill, mostly big lone boars, are with a SST bullet, .308, 165 gr. SST. I really like getting some work with my 6.5 Creedmoor so in the off season it's what I carry, shooting 129 gr. SST. Things work repeatedly and it's hard to stop doing it: SST bullet on big hogs and deer, prone, off of a bipod. I never would have selected my 6.5 Creedmoor to kill the biggest animal of my life but it worked out great. I am shooting a great rifle, but like mikei stated above the 6.5 Creedmoor of mine shoots about three different Hornady varieties of ammo equally well. Very accurate and it's a killer.
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Re: The real story behind the 6.5 Creedmoor
[Re: mikei]
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08/09/23 09:39 PM
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HenryL
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I've yet to shoot anything that hasn't died fast with the 143ELDX. YMMV I reload 129 gr. Interlocks, 123 gr. SST's and 90 gr. V-MAX for my CM and all of them are very accurate and very deadly on the varmints, vermin and whitetail deer around here in Central Texas. I have found the caliber to be easy to reload, and love the fact that it is so "forgiving," as far as reloading goes. Just about any combination of powder and bullets come together quickly to produce good groups. Why people "hate" an inanimate object like a firearm caliber is a mystery to me. What not spend your time hating Democrats. . . Yeah, those 129 gr. interlocks group surprisingly well for what they are and we've definitely taken whitetail with them. My kids operate their own little e-commerce business...this year they started using it to lower their reloading costs by buying up Hornady equipment, claiming the "Get Loaded" rewards and reselling the equipment... those 129 gr. interlocks are one of the bullets you get free under the Hornady Get Loaded program... so far this year, they've claimed around 20,000 of those free 129 gr. interlocks LOL. Got a bunch of the 150 Gr. .308's and 139 Gr. 7MM as well. You should try out the A-tip's though, Powder Valley has a bunch of factory seconds for half the normal price: https://www.powdervalley.com/produc...atch-metal-tip-match-box-of-100-bullets/I've been able to get some pretty amazing performance out of the A-tips (paper/steel wise, haven't hunted with them).
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Re: The real story behind the 6.5 Creedmoor
[Re: HenryL]
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08/09/23 10:20 PM
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J.G.
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My farthest hits on steel are from a Hornady A-tip.
.30 cal 250 gr A-tip .300 Norma Mag, 30" barrel MV 2980 fps
2180 yards (1.25 mile)
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Re: The real story behind the 6.5 Creedmoor
[Re: Texas Dan]
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08/10/23 01:13 AM
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I've killed lots of deer and hogs with this cartridge, and bullets including Accubond, ballistic tip, ELDX, partition, TTSX. I love the AB's, but IMO the best combo of BC, accuracy, bullet quality, and flat out killing prowess is the 139 Scenar.
Given the wide variety of 6.5 bullet styles and weights available, it's really hard to find a bad hunting bullet given the moderate velocities produced, which is yet another huge attribute to this cartridge.
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Re: The real story behind the 6.5 Creedmoor
[Re: Texas Dan]
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08/10/23 02:12 AM
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Seems Trash Can Dan is now absent from his own thread, while posting elsewhere.
Will crushed once again. And we can keep crushing it till rapture. Because he will continue to post more trash.
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