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 Re: Ex Marine in NYC Choking Death
[Re: 6InARowMakeItGo]
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05/12/23 01:30 AM
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I'm not familiar with the military, but I always heard "once a marine, always a marine" so his is he an ex marine? Helps paint a narrative of a trained killer…knew exactly what he was doing. Words are chosen with intent, you’re [censored] yourself if you believe otherwise. It is expected from the OP. Yep, he loathes people that defend themselves.
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Re: Ex Marine in NYC Choking Death
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05/12/23 01:35 AM
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Lol, I don't have a dog in the game, I live in DFW not NYC. Not my friend or relative that died or was threatened. I myself a ex/former/inactive military, Army. Personally, the military aspect is irrelevant either way in this incident, either pro or against. One dude put another dude in a chokehold which resulted in a death, the question is was the action legally justified given the perceived or actual threat and for the duration it was undertaken. Military, ex, former, inactive really has no bearing in my mind.
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Re: Ex Marine in NYC Choking Death
[Re: KRoyal]
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05/12/23 01:43 AM
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Ain't no amount of money gonna save him, he's a goner. Yep, he sure put himself in a jam Go change your tampon. 🤣🤣🤣
I am still looking for the perfect apron, one with reinforced knee areas would be perfect.
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Re: Ex Marine in NYC Choking Death
[Re: DQ Kid]
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05/12/23 02:43 AM
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I think if you wait this long without arresting him. You should just send it to grand jury. His actions were clear. The preliminary autopsy was done. The only difference is him bonding out.
I bet they flipped on of those witnesses/ participants to say it was excessive and the force used was not reasonable.
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Re: Ex Marine in NYC Choking Death
[Re: DQ Kid]
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05/12/23 02:54 AM
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The cause of death hasn’t been released. He was breathing on his way to the hospital and died at the hospital so he was not “Choked” to death. Preliminary coroner cause of death was determined to be neck compression from the chokehold. That has been released, why it was determined to be a homicide. At his trial, he will have a world renowned forensic pathologist testify that wasn't the cause of death.
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Re: Ex Marine in NYC Choking Death
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05/12/23 02:58 AM
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The cause of death hasn’t been released. He was breathing on his way to the hospital and died at the hospital so he was not “Choked” to death. Preliminary coroner cause of death was determined to be neck compression from the chokehold. That has been released, why it was determined to be a homicide. At his trial, he will have a world renowned forensic pathologist testify that wasn't the cause of death. I hope he does, probably will say the dude was high on PCP too. Pretty much expected when a person is trying to stay out of prison, right?
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Re: Ex Marine in NYC Choking Death
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05/12/23 03:02 AM
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I think if you wait this long without arresting him. You should just send it to grand jury. His actions were clear. The preliminary autopsy was done. The only difference is him bonding out.
I bet they flipped on of those witnesses/ participants to say it was excessive and the force used was not reasonable.
Or what if they finally got around to more thoroughly interviewing witnesses, participants now that some days have elapsed and minds may be a little more cogent and some folks just decided excessive force was used. Not really anyone flipping, more folks just giving their eye witness accounts.
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Re: Ex Marine in NYC Choking Death
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05/12/23 03:02 AM
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The cause of death hasn’t been released. He was breathing on his way to the hospital and died at the hospital so he was not “Choked” to death. Preliminary coroner cause of death was determined to be neck compression from the chokehold. That has been released, why it was determined to be a homicide. At his trial, he will have a world renowned forensic pathologist testify that wasn't the cause of death. I hope he does, probably will say the dude was high on PCP too. Pretty much expected when a person is trying to stay out of prison, right? Nope, it's expected when the DA bows to the pressure from the 13% though.
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Re: Ex Marine in NYC Choking Death
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05/12/23 03:06 AM
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Is that something like the 3%rs.
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Re: Ex Marine in NYC Choking Death
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05/12/23 03:08 AM
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I think if you wait this long without arresting him. You should just send it to grand jury. His actions were clear. The preliminary autopsy was done. The only difference is him bonding out.
I bet they flipped on of those witnesses/ participants to say it was excessive and the force used was not reasonable.
Or what if they finally got around to more thoroughly interviewing witnesses, participants now that some days have elapsed and minds may be a little more cogent and some folks just decided excessive force was used. Not really anyone flipping, more folks just giving their eye witness accounts. Real life isn't like Law and Order SVU or Perry Mason, folks are allowed to frame a mental perspective on things as time elapses
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Re: Ex Marine in NYC Choking Death
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05/12/23 03:15 AM
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I think if you wait this long without arresting him. You should just send it to grand jury. His actions were clear. The preliminary autopsy was done. The only difference is him bonding out.
I bet they flipped on of those witnesses/ participants to say it was excessive and the force used was not reasonable.
Or what if they finally got around to more thoroughly interviewing witnesses, participants now that some days have elapsed and minds may be a little more cogent and some folks just decided excessive force was used. Not really anyone flipping, more folks just giving their eye witness accounts. Because we know these people aren’t influenced by news or social media. It’s strategic. Obama and Holder made a huge mistake in Ferguson Mo. They sent DOJ to interview everyone. Got 50 different versions of what happened. Found witnesses that weren’t even there. They then could not charge him. So they produce a scathing report of practices. Choke them with consent decree.
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Re: Ex Marine in NYC Choking Death
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05/12/23 03:29 AM
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I think if you wait this long without arresting him. You should just send it to grand jury. His actions were clear. The preliminary autopsy was done. The only difference is him bonding out.
I bet they flipped on of those witnesses/ participants to say it was excessive and the force used was not reasonable.
Or what if they finally got around to more thoroughly interviewing witnesses, participants now that some days have elapsed and minds may be a little more cogent and some folks just decided excessive force was used. Not really anyone flipping, more folks just giving their eye witness accounts. Real life isn't like Law and Order SVU or Perry Mason, folks are allowed to frame a mental perspective on things as time elapses You have no idea about the knowledge and experience of the person you're trying to educate about "Real life" do you?
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Re: Ex Marine in NYC Choking Death
[Re: KRoyal]
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05/12/23 04:01 AM
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Ain't no amount of money gonna save him, he's a goner. Yep, he sure put himself in a jam Go change your tampon. Lol, tranquilo tranquilo...... Lighten up Francis
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Re: Ex Marine in NYC Choking Death
[Re: DQ Kid]
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05/12/23 05:19 AM
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Lol, I don't have a dog in the game, I live in DFW not NYC. Not my friend or relative that died or was threatened. I myself a ex/former/inactive military, Army. Personally, the military aspect is irrelevant either way in this incident, either pro or against. One dude put another dude in a chokehold which resulted in a death, the question is was the action legally justified given the perceived or actual threat and for the duration it was undertaken. Military, ex, former, inactive really has no bearing in my mind. you are kidding right? changed your mind since last thread or am I confusing you with SA
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Re: Ex Marine in NYC Choking Death
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05/12/23 05:22 AM
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I think if you wait this long without arresting him. You should just send it to grand jury. His actions were clear. The preliminary autopsy was done. The only difference is him bonding out.
I bet they flipped on of those witnesses/ participants to say it was excessive and the force used was not reasonable.
Or what if they finally got around to more thoroughly interviewing witnesses, participants now that some days have elapsed and minds may be a little more cogent and some folks just decided excessive force was used. Not really anyone flipping, more folks just giving their eye witness accounts. Real life isn't like Law and Order SVU or Perry Mason, folks are allowed to frame a mental perspective on things as time elapses You have no idea about the knowledge and experience of the person you're trying to educate about "Real life" do you? I was think same thing.. lol Roll Tide is way to humble, Hat tip RT!!
Bottom line, never trust a man whose uncle was eaten by cannibals.-Sen Joni Ernst
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Re: Ex Marine in NYC Choking Death
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05/12/23 05:26 AM
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Lol, I don't have a dog in the game, I live in DFW not NYC. Not my friend or relative that died or was threatened. I myself a ex/former/inactive military, Army. Personally, the military aspect is irrelevant either way in this incident, either pro or against. One dude put another dude in a chokehold which resulted in a death, the question is was the action legally justified given the perceived or actual threat and for the duration it was undertaken. Military, ex, former, inactive really has no bearing in my mind. you are kidding right? changed your mind since last thread or am I confusing you with SA What are you confused about?
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Re: Ex Marine in NYC Choking Death
[Re: DQ Kid]
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05/12/23 05:36 AM
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it was both you… We are now going from Elite hand to hand combat special operator to normal melee training grunt
Originally Posted by DQ Kid
Marine was overzealous in his actions, came up from behind the guy, put him in chokehold for up to 15 minutes per witnesses. Yes, the deceased was erratic and verbally threatening but probably not the first one to ever be so in NYC subways. The fact the guy never actually laid hands on anyone or brandished a weapon will likely be key investigative points in the case. Let the wheels of justice play out.
Originally Posted by S.A hunter
The fact that the guy is a marine means nothing......it actually may hurt him if he has certain training.
Originally Posted by DQ kid
Ese, you're actually right, his specialized training should give him insight as to the deadliness of actions. What a person can and is able to do, doesn't actually mean they should or make it legally or morally right to do so. The wheels of justice will determine the former marines fate.
Last edited by BOBO the Clown; 05/12/23 05:42 AM.
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Re: Ex Marine in NYC Choking Death
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05/12/23 06:46 AM
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Is that something like the 3%rs. Just the opposite. Liberal city DA’s don’t give a tinker’s damn about the 3%.
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Re: Ex Marine in NYC Choking Death
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05/12/23 09:28 AM
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The cause of death hasn’t been released. He was breathing on his way to the hospital and died at the hospital so he was not “Choked” to death. Preliminary coroner cause of death was determined to be neck compression from the chokehold. That has been released, why it was determined to be a homicide. Do you have exact wording on cause of death ? Coroner supposedly ruled that way b/c it wasnt self-inflicted & i doubt that douche nozzle Bragg will call any relevant witnesses  he lets actual criminal go...smh
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Re: Ex Marine in NYC Choking Death
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05/12/23 10:13 AM
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it was both you… We are now going from Elite hand to hand combat special operator to normal melee training grunt
Originally Posted by DQ Kid
Marine was overzealous in his actions, came up from behind the guy, put him in chokehold for up to 15 minutes per witnesses. Yes, the deceased was erratic and verbally threatening but probably not the first one to ever be so in NYC subways. The fact the guy never actually laid hands on anyone or brandished a weapon will likely be key investigative points in the case. Let the wheels of justice play out.
Originally Posted by S.A hunter
The fact that the guy is a marine means nothing......it actually may hurt him if he has certain training.
Originally Posted by DQ kid
Ese, you're actually right, his specialized training should give him insight as to the deadliness of actions. What a person can and is able to do, doesn't actually mean they should or make it legally or morally right to do so. The wheels of justice will determine the former marines fate.
You probably didn’t see the part where I said "may hurt him".... I have no idea what training he has, but Dont for one second think that the prosecution won't look into that.
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Re: Ex Marine in NYC Choking Death
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05/12/23 10:56 AM
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it was both you… We are now going from Elite hand to hand combat special operator to normal melee training grunt
Originally Posted by DQ Kid
Marine was overzealous in his actions, came up from behind the guy, put him in chokehold for up to 15 minutes per witnesses. Yes, the deceased was erratic and verbally threatening but probably not the first one to ever be so in NYC subways. The fact the guy never actually laid hands on anyone or brandished a weapon will likely be key investigative points in the case. Let the wheels of justice play out.
Originally Posted by S.A hunter
The fact that the guy is a marine means nothing......it actually may hurt him if he has certain training.
Originally Posted by DQ kid
Ese, you're actually right, his specialized training should give him insight as to the deadliness of actions. What a person can and is able to do, doesn't actually mean they should or make it legally or morally right to do so. The wheels of justice will determine the former marines fate.
You probably didn’t see the part where I said "may hurt him".... I have no idea what training he has, but Dont for one second think that the prosecution won't look into that. I didnt miss it
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Re: Ex Marine in NYC Choking Death
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05/12/23 11:02 AM
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For all the ones that are wanting a clear definition of his Veteran status, he is not an ex-marine, or former marine, he is a Marine. Once the title is earned, it lasts a lifetime. I hope he gets a good defense and a fair trial, in that crap hole it is unlikely.
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Re: Ex Marine in NYC Choking Death
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it was both you… We are now going from Elite hand to hand combat special operator to normal melee training grunt
Originally Posted by DQ Kid
Marine was overzealous in his actions, came up from behind the guy, put him in chokehold for up to 15 minutes per witnesses. Yes, the deceased was erratic and verbally threatening but probably not the first one to ever be so in NYC subways. The fact the guy never actually laid hands on anyone or brandished a weapon will likely be key investigative points in the case. Let the wheels of justice play out.
Originally Posted by S.A hunter
The fact that the guy is a marine means nothing......it actually may hurt him if he has certain training.
Originally Posted by DQ kid
Ese, you're actually right, his specialized training should give him insight as to the deadliness of actions. What a person can and is able to do, doesn't actually mean they should or make it legally or morally right to do so. The wheels of justice will determine the former marines fate.
You probably didn’t see the part where I said "may hurt him".... I have no idea what training he has, but Dont for one second think that the prosecution won't look into that. I didnt miss it Lol, alrighty then......
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Re: Ex Marine in NYC Choking Death
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05/12/23 01:09 PM
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His life will change as he knows it. He will spend big $$$$$$$ defending himself. Good luck Marine.
I am still looking for the perfect apron, one with reinforced knee areas would be perfect.
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Re: Ex Marine in NYC Choking Death
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05/12/23 01:16 PM
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With folks like the NY prosecutor and men with the train of thought like DQ and SA the next marine will stay back and let the dude kill someone. DQ will say “where were the police let’s sue them”
It’s a crazy world.
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