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Re: LEO question about Uvalde shooting
[Re: Concho]
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I will preface the following opinion by saying I am NOT anti-police. I would endanger myself to aid a LEO if I thought they needed my help or thought they were in danger. Perhaps expecting one to do the same for me or my family is foolish? Looking at what happened in this case, some others, and the basic defense of inaction by the law enforcement community as whole, we certainly cannot count on it.
I just don't see how waiting on more information to come out is going to paint these officers in a better light. It seems that the more info comes out, the worse it looks for them. I'm not going to espouse my opinions here, but will say that what information is out there will be tough to reign back in.
Well, maybe because most of it will be proven incorrect.....you know like Donald Trump was a Russian asset...... So are you saying they weren't on site for forty minutes to an hour before "border patrol" breached the room and stopped the killer? I'd be curious as to your sources for this information? No, I'm saying you don't have a clue as to what occurred other than what you heard on TV and yet here you are condemning and passing judgement. So your here defending based on the same "lack of information" then, correct? At least the info I've relayed has been conveyed by DPS, what have you got?
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Re: LEO question about Uvalde shooting
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05/31/22 11:00 PM
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The teacher who left the door opened for the dickweed shooter to enter, got her a great lawyer. Saying now, she ran in to report the truck wreck, then ran back to shut the school door I'm calling Where did you find this info?
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Re: LEO question about Uvalde shooting
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There are reports that the police department is no longer cooperating with the dps investigation
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Re: LEO question about Uvalde shooting
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There are reports that the police department is no longer cooperating with the dps investigation Yep, Uvalde Chief of Police no longer cooperating with the Texas Rangers. Hang him!
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Re: LEO question about Uvalde shooting
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05/31/22 11:16 PM
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Re: LEO question about Uvalde shooting
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Biden’s DOJ is on the case now.
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Re: LEO question about Uvalde shooting
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So are you saying they weren't on site for forty minutes to an hour before "border patrol" breached the room and stopped the killer? I'd be curious as to your sources for this information? [/quote]
No, I'm saying you don't have a clue as to what occurred other than what you heard on TV and yet here you are condemning and passing judgement.[/quote]
So your here defending based on the same "lack of information" then, correct? At least the info I've relayed has been conveyed by DPS, what have you got? [/quote]
Show me where I defended them other than saying people are jumping to conclusions, Monday Morning Quarterbacking, and condemning simply based on TV reports......the people we know lie on a regular basis.....some were condemning the local police for lying, Mayor of Uvalde says they didn't lie, DPS and Texas Officials knew the truth from the get go, and saying otherwise just ain't true. Like I said, if the order was given to hold in place while kids died, I'll be the first to condemn, on the other hand if they were attempting to make entry for that entire 40 minute or so, I believe we owe them some slack. We should at least have all the facts. I'm hearing DPS may have pulled out already.
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Re: LEO question about Uvalde shooting
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Biden’s DOJ is on the case now. That should clear everything up......in a year or two.....
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Re: LEO question about Uvalde shooting
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So are you saying they weren't on site for forty minutes to an hour before "border patrol" breached the room and stopped the killer? I'd be curious as to your sources for this information?
No, I'm saying you don't have a clue as to what occurred other than what you heard on TV and yet here you are condemning and passing judgement.[/quote] So your here defending based on the same "lack of information" then, correct? At least the info I've relayed has been conveyed by DPS, what have you got? [/quote] Show me where I defended them other than saying people are jumping to conclusions, Monday Morning Quarterbacking, and condemning simply based on TV reports......the people we know lie on a regular basis.....some were condemning the local police for lying, Mayor of Uvalde says they didn't lie, DPS and Texas Officials knew the truth from the get go, and saying otherwise just ain't true. Like I said, if the order was given to hold in place while kids died, I'll be the first to condemn, on the other hand if they were attempting to make entry for that entire 40 minute or so, I believe we owe them some slack. We should at least have all the facts. I'm hearing DPS may have pulled out already.[/quote] As has been said before. It does not take 40 minutes to make entry into anything short of a foot thick steel vault door. No masonry wall. No steel wall. No wood wall. No solid concrete wall takes 40 minutes to breach. And doors on a school ain't a big deal to force open. I laid it all out for you, but it was deleted by a mod.
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Re: LEO question about Uvalde shooting
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There are reports that the police department is no longer cooperating with the dps investigation Yep, Uvalde Chief of Police no longer cooperating with the Texas Rangers. Hang him! It sounded to me like DPS had already made up their mind that the on-scene commander messed up and then the DPS Commander passed judgement on national tv.....are you speaking about the ISD Chief or City Police Chief not cooperating?
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Re: LEO question about Uvalde shooting
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Show me where I defended them other than saying people are jumping to conclusions, Monday Morning Quarterbacking, and condemning simply based on TV reports......the people we know lie on a regular basis.....some were condemning the local police for lying, Mayor of Uvalde says they didn't lie, DPS and Texas Officials knew the truth from the get go, and saying otherwise just ain't true. Like I said, if the order was given to hold in place while kids died, I'll be the first to condemn, on the other hand if they were attempting to make entry for that entire 40 minute or so, I believe we owe them some slack. We should at least have all the facts. I'm hearing DPS may have pulled out already.[/quote]
As has been said before. It does not take 40 minutes to make entry into anything short of a foot thick steel vault door.
No masonry wall. No steel wall. No wood wall. No solid concrete wall takes 40 minutes to breach.
And doors on a school ain't a big deal to force open. I laid it all out for you, but it was deleted by a mod. [/quote]
So, you know for a fact that under fire from an AR15 through the door that it doesn't take 40 minutes to beach the door?
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Re: LEO question about Uvalde shooting
[Re: Concho]
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Uh, yeah, pick a different door, or go through a wall somewhere.
And there's also this second factor, shoot back!
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Re: LEO question about Uvalde shooting
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Uh, yeah, pick a different door, or go through a wall somewhere.
And there's also this second factor, shoot back! Shoot back into two rooms full of school kids......interesting, I can only imagine what outrage and rioting would occur if police fired blindly into a classroom full of kids.
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Re: LEO question about Uvalde shooting
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I wonder if any you have considered that while you are cutting through doors and walls, the bad guy has two options to occupy his time, he can shoot at the guy cutting the entry, or and I hate to be too realistic here, he can shoot some more people inside the room with him......either way, you would have trouble shooting back at a guy you cannot see. Once again this is a tragedy in every sense of the word and heartbreaking in so many ways, but lashing out at people who were there to help isn't going to solve anything, there will be time for that later.
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Re: LEO question about Uvalde shooting
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Re: LEO question about Uvalde shooting
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There are reports that the police department is no longer cooperating with the dps investigation Yep, Uvalde Chief of Police no longer cooperating with the Texas Rangers. Hang him! It sounded to me like DPS had already made up their mind that the on-scene commander messed up and then the DPS Commander passed judgement on national tv.....are you speaking about the ISD Chief or City Police Chief not cooperating? Reports are both
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Re: LEO question about Uvalde shooting
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There are reports that the police department is no longer cooperating with the dps investigation Yep, Uvalde Chief of Police no longer cooperating with the Texas Rangers. Hang him! It sounded to me like DPS had already made up their mind that the on-scene commander messed up and then the DPS Commander passed judgement on national tv.....are you speaking about the ISD Chief or City Police Chief not cooperating? My mistake, it is the ISD Chief reported to be no longer talking to the TX Rangers.
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Re: LEO question about Uvalde shooting
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Yes, but once again you are giving the bad guy notice you are coming and he is only left a couple of options......if he had stopped shooting, and I'm not agreeing with waiting, but I can see some of the shutdown by some personalities under those extreme conditions. If you have never been in this situation I can assure you it is amazing what goes through your thoughts and many of us just revert back to prior training. As humans we are conditioned by life experience and or training we receive. I would think a counter sniper would maybe had a chance to end this thing early, but I'm not sure one was on scene and I'm not sure what the conditions were with the type window and such. Shooting through windows is iffy at best. I'm with many of you, I would have been trying anything I could try. I'm not defending poor decisions, just saying there may be more to this than meets the eye, if not then someone needs to be held accountable.
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Re: LEO question about Uvalde shooting
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Uh, yeah, pick a different door, or go through a wall somewhere.
And there's also this second factor, shoot back! Shoot back into two rooms full of school kids......interesting, I can only imagine what outrage and rioting would occur if police fired blindly into a classroom full of kids. You have to pick people doing the shooting back, that can actually shoot. Might be foreign to you, I know. Two rooms? Pick a different one, get into the building first, get into the room second. No different than if a room in the building was on fire. Get into the building first. Standing outside with your thumb in your azz is never an option..
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Re: LEO question about Uvalde shooting
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Biden is beginning his bail out on Uvalde and any gun reform and has switched to fixing inflation.
can you say trying to up ratings?
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Re: LEO question about Uvalde shooting
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The teacher who left the door opened for the dickweed shooter to enter, got her a great lawyer. Saying now, she ran in to report the truck wreck, then ran back to shut the school door I'm calling Where did you find this info? of course on network news. the great lawyer part was my guess as to how she got her NEW story.
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Re: LEO question about Uvalde shooting
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Texas police: Teacher closed propped-open door before attack - ABC News" https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/texas-police-teacher-closed-propped-open-door-attack-85093476UVALDE, Texas -- An exterior door at Robb Elementary School did not lock when it was closed by a teacher shortly before a gunman used it to get inside and kill 19 students and two teachers, leaving investigators searching to determine why, state police said Tuesday.
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Re: LEO question about Uvalde shooting
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The teacher who left the door opened for the dickweed shooter to enter, got her a great lawyer. Saying now, she ran in to report the truck wreck, then ran back to shut the school door I'm calling Where did you find this info? of course on network news. the great lawyer part was my guess as to how she got her NEW story. I just read what was reported by a SA newspaper and it's worse than I imagined. She actually acknowledged that door was supposed to be locked at all times. She's now saying she closed the door. Guess it didn't lock after you opened it sweetheart! I hope she gets the crap sued out of her!
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Re: LEO question about Uvalde shooting
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Uh, yeah, pick a different door, or go through a wall somewhere.
And there's also this second factor, shoot back! Shoot back into two rooms full of school kids......interesting, I can only imagine what outrage and rioting would occur if police fired blindly into a classroom full of kids. You have to pick people doing the shooting back, that can actually shoot. Might be foreign to you, I know. Two rooms? Pick a different one, get into the building first, get into the room second. No different than if a room in the building was on fire. Get into the building first. Standing outside with your thumb in your azz is never an option.. They WERE inside the building, apparently you know nothing about the situation.....19 officers stacked in the hallway.
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Re: LEO question about Uvalde shooting
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Uh, yeah, pick a different door, or go through a wall somewhere.
And there's also this second factor, shoot back! Shoot back into two rooms full of school kids......interesting, I can only imagine what outrage and rioting would occur if police fired blindly into a classroom full of kids. You have to pick people doing the shooting back, that can actually shoot. Might be foreign to you, I know. Two rooms? Pick a different one, get into the building first, get into the room second. No different than if a room in the building was on fire. Get into the building first. Standing outside with your thumb in your azz is never an option.. They WERE inside the building, apparently you know nothing about the situation and also nothing about me, if you knew who i am you might show a little respect, but somehow I doubt that is in you.....19 officers stacked in the hallway.
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