So your here defending based on the same "lack of information" then, correct? At least the info I've relayed has been conveyed by DPS, what have you got?

Where did you find this info?

There are reports that the police department is no longer cooperating with the dps investigation

Yep, Uvalde Chief of Police no longer cooperating with the Texas Rangers. Hang him!

Turning into a big CHIT show

Biden’s DOJ is on the case now.

So are you saying they weren't on site for forty minutes to an hour before "border patrol" breached the room and stopped the killer? I'd be curious as to your sources for this information?
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No, I'm saying you don't have a clue as to what occurred other than what you heard on TV and yet here you are condemning and passing judgement.[/quote]

So your here defending based on the same "lack of information" then, correct? At least the info I've relayed has been conveyed by DPS, what have you got?
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Show me where I defended them other than saying people are jumping to conclusions, Monday Morning Quarterbacking, and condemning simply based on TV reports......the people we know lie on a regular basis.....some were condemning the local police for lying, Mayor of Uvalde says they didn't lie, DPS and Texas Officials knew the truth from the get go, and saying otherwise just ain't true. Like I said, if the order was given to hold in place while kids died, I'll be the first to condemn, on the other hand if they were attempting to make entry for that entire 40 minute or so, I believe we owe them some slack. We should at least have all the facts. I'm hearing DPS may have pulled out already.

That should clear everything up......in a year or two.....

No, I'm saying you don't have a clue as to what occurred other than what you heard on TV and yet here you are condemning and passing judgement.[/quote]

So your here defending based on the same "lack of information" then, correct? At least the info I've relayed has been conveyed by DPS, what have you got?
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Show me where I defended them other than saying people are jumping to conclusions, Monday Morning Quarterbacking, and condemning simply based on TV reports......the people we know lie on a regular basis.....some were condemning the local police for lying, Mayor of Uvalde says they didn't lie, DPS and Texas Officials knew the truth from the get go, and saying otherwise just ain't true. Like I said, if the order was given to hold in place while kids died, I'll be the first to condemn, on the other hand if they were attempting to make entry for that entire 40 minute or so, I believe we owe them some slack. We should at least have all the facts. I'm hearing DPS may have pulled out already.[/quote]


As has been said before. It does not take 40 minutes to make entry into anything short of a foot thick steel vault door.

No masonry wall. No steel wall. No wood wall. No solid concrete wall takes 40 minutes to breach.

And doors on a school ain't a big deal to force open. I laid it all out for you, but it was deleted by a mod.

It sounded to me like DPS had already made up their mind that the on-scene commander messed up and then the DPS Commander passed judgement on national tv.....are you speaking about the ISD Chief or City Police Chief not cooperating?

Show me where I defended them other than saying people are jumping to conclusions, Monday Morning Quarterbacking, and condemning simply based on TV reports......the people we know lie on a regular basis.....some were condemning the local police for lying, Mayor of Uvalde says they didn't lie, DPS and Texas Officials knew the truth from the get go, and saying otherwise just ain't true. Like I said, if the order was given to hold in place while kids died, I'll be the first to condemn, on the other hand if they were attempting to make entry for that entire 40 minute or so, I believe we owe them some slack. We should at least have all the facts. I'm hearing DPS may have pulled out already.[/quote]


As has been said before. It does not take 40 minutes to make entry into anything short of a foot thick steel vault door.

No masonry wall. No steel wall. No wood wall. No solid concrete wall takes 40 minutes to breach.

And doors on a school ain't a big deal to force open. I laid it all out for you, but it was deleted by a mod. [/quote]

So, you know for a fact that under fire from an AR15 through the door that it doesn't take 40 minutes to beach the door?

Uh, yeah, pick a different door, or go through a wall somewhere.


And there's also this second factor, shoot back!

Shoot back into two rooms full of school kids......interesting, I can only imagine what outrage and rioting would occur if police fired blindly into a classroom full of kids.

I wonder if any you have considered that while you are cutting through doors and walls, the bad guy has two options to occupy his time, he can shoot at the guy cutting the entry, or and I hate to be too realistic here, he can shoot some more people inside the room with him......either way, you would have trouble shooting back at a guy you cannot see. Once again this is a tragedy in every sense of the word and heartbreaking in so many ways, but lashing out at people who were there to help isn't going to solve anything, there will be time for that later.

Weren't there windows?

Reports are both

My mistake, it is the ISD Chief reported to be no longer talking to the TX Rangers.

Yes, but once again you are giving the bad guy notice you are coming and he is only left a couple of options......if he had stopped shooting, and I'm not agreeing with waiting, but I can see some of the shutdown by some personalities under those extreme conditions. If you have never been in this situation I can assure you it is amazing what goes through your thoughts and many of us just revert back to prior training. As humans we are conditioned by life experience and or training we receive. I would think a counter sniper would maybe had a chance to end this thing early, but I'm not sure one was on scene and I'm not sure what the conditions were with the type window and such. Shooting through windows is iffy at best. I'm with many of you, I would have been trying anything I could try. I'm not defending poor decisions, just saying there may be more to this than meets the eye, if not then someone needs to be held accountable.

You have to pick people doing the shooting back, that can actually shoot. Might be foreign to you, I know.

Two rooms?

Pick a different one, get into the building first, get into the room second. No different than if a room in the building was on fire. Get into the building first.

Standing outside with your thumb in your azz is never an option..

Biden is beginning his bail out on Uvalde and any gun reform and has switched to fixing inflation.


can you say trying to up ratings?

of course on network news. the great lawyer part was my guess as to how she got her NEW story.

Texas police: Teacher closed propped-open door before attack - ABC News" https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/texas-police-teacher-closed-propped-open-door-attack-85093476

UVALDE, Texas -- An exterior door at Robb Elementary School did not lock when it was closed by a teacher shortly before a gunman used it to get inside and kill 19 students and two teachers, leaving investigators searching to determine why, state police said Tuesday.

I just read what was reported by a SA newspaper and it's worse than I imagined. She actually acknowledged that door was supposed to be locked at all times. She's now saying she closed the door.
Guess it didn't lock after you opened it sweetheart! I hope she gets the crap sued out of her!

They WERE inside the building, apparently you know nothing about the situation.....19 officers stacked in the hallway.