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 short magnum fad
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07/23/06 10:06 PM
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Is the win, short magnum fad over? I noticed that ruger is no longer offering any of the short mag flavors nor is the rem 700 bdl chambered for one.
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Re: short magnum fad
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07/23/06 10:55 PM
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I think that some of them are here to stay but I might be wrong. I do know that the one I have is going to stay with me.
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Re: short magnum fad
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07/23/06 11:00 PM
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Same here I like mine and will keep it.
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Re: short magnum fad
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07/23/06 11:48 PM
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I think that some folks will hang on to theirs for a while, but if this goes the way some of the others have gone, the short mags or at least some of them will end up being either really expensive to buy ammo for, or will be a handloading only situation. This is just my opinion on the subject.
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Re: short magnum fad
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07/24/06 12:21 AM
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i have had 3 of them. 223wssm, 270wsm, 7wsm. i think that the 7wsm and the 270 wsm and the 325 wsm are dead ducks. the 300 has a good following but the other ones are up in the air. its hard to get a rifle to stay that doesnt have a common bolt face or a parent cartrige. also there wasnt enough of an advantage over the cartriges they were competing agianst. plus you have to buy new reloading equipment new funnels and shell holders. and i found that loading was real finiky (if thats a word) you had to run them at max to get good accuracy. anyways anyone want to buy my 223 wssm. 
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Re: short magnum fad
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07/24/06 01:24 AM
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Personally, I will keep mine in 300wsm. I planned from the start to handload it as I do with all my rifle rounds. Now wether it sticks around in production remains to be seen.
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Re: short magnum fad
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07/24/06 01:46 AM
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A patent for the wssm's was granted to the "jamison" guy, the writer/shooter/handloader. So you can figure that when that happened, the rifle? and ammo makers are not interested in paying royalties. I believe Winchester fought the patent and lost, or may still be in court. no idea....
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Re: short magnum fad
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07/24/06 01:48 AM
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Its about time you came back on here. I think they lost the court fight if I remember right.
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Re: short magnum fad
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07/24/06 01:57 AM
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Re: short magnum fad
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07/24/06 04:41 AM
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I have two of them and love them both. My .223wssm will out perform any stock .223 by a mile. The wife's .243WSSM is a fantastic rifle. The Wife's is a custom rifle so the caliber in itself isn't being judged properly. Her rifle is a piece of art. Now my .223WSSM is a Browning a-bolt stalker. I didn't like it at first. I had to run quite a few rounds through that barrel to get it broke in and real accurate. It has been dead on ever since. It's a great little round. I love it!! It's super fast with a lot of energy. Well, for a .223.` 
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Re: short magnum fad
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07/24/06 03:33 PM
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What I hear from other hunters that is killing the wssms is the ammo price...not cheap or even reasonable on price to shoot.
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Re: short magnum fad
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07/24/06 03:51 PM
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I think that some folks will hang on to theirs for a while, but if this goes the way some of the others have gone, the short mags or at least some of them will end up being either really expensive to buy ammo for, or will be a handloading only situation. This is just my opinion on the subject.
Never owned one so I'm not very familiar with them, but what i don't understand is why develop a cartridge with ballistics equal to cartridges that are already out there.
Yes! A Weatherby does kill them deader.
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Re: short magnum fad
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07/24/06 04:21 PM
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I dont own one.A bullet is a certain caliber. After that it is just a different case for the powder. I think if it wasnt something for the gun writters to play with , it wouldnt go anywhere.Bullet weight and speed is all about the same.Just my 2c.
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Re: short magnum fad
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07/24/06 09:23 PM
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I know that I was in the market for a .300 caliber gun at the same time the WSMs were comeing out, so I bought one. I have never owned anthing bigger than a .280 so I can't really compare them to any other .300 cartrigdes, but I can say that I love mine and plan on keeping it even if I have to buy a set of dies and start reloading. I hope that isn't the case but I will do what is necessary.
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Re: short magnum fad
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07/24/06 10:07 PM
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Only time will tell but dont be surprized if the short mags do a way with some of the long kick your a$$ in the dirt magnums.
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Re: short magnum fad
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07/25/06 12:05 AM
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It will never happen. JMO
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Re: short magnum fad
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07/25/06 01:02 AM
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Your proble right CHC that why I'm stocking up on brass. But I really beleive that some are here to stay.
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Re: short magnum fad
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07/25/06 01:20 AM
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I agree with that. One or two of them may hang on, but I believe most of them, along with the Super Short Mags and the Ultra mags are all on a downhill slide. I am not starting anything here, so don't anyone jump my a$$ about this, but nothing has realistically replaced the 30-06 yet, and I wouldn't have all of those a person could pile in my pick up. JMO, but there are some things that basically can't be improved on that much. Anything on this planet that either hasn't or can't be killed with a 30-06, is immortal. And if the 06' can't take it out, either of the big 30 caliber magnums, 300 Winchester or Weatherby, will.
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Re: short magnum fad
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07/25/06 02:29 AM
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CHC is right. they just keep on reinventing the wheel. the short fat isnt a new idea either it has been around for a while w/ the PPC and the BR's. ten years from now there will yet agian be someone that tries to develop a new round but the way i see it the wildcatting days are over everything has been done or tried.
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Re: short magnum fad
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07/25/06 02:37 AM
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The 300 win. short mag will probably be one of the survivors, but the others will be really hard to find factory ammo for in the long run. I agree with the statements about the 30-06. About 3 or 4 years ago, I ordered a .270. The dealer tried to convince me that the 270 shortmag was the way to go. I grinned and ordered a traditional .270. There are just too many rifles of this caliber out there and I new the ammo would still be plentiful. Even if the shortmag outperformed the .270, I knew that there could not be that big of an advantage and millions dead deer were proof that the regular .270 worked. After looking through several gunmakers web sites I am glad I didnt choose the short mag because I don't reload.
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Re: short magnum fad
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07/25/06 03:55 AM
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I really like my 7mm wsm... well see, I hope it does not get hard to find ammo for Or someone may have to teach me the art of the reloading bench...
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Re: short magnum fad
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07/25/06 04:06 AM
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Re: short magnum fad
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07/25/06 04:33 AM
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Never owned one so I'm not very familiar with them, but what i don't understand is why develop a cartridge with ballistics equal to cartridges that are already out there.
Shorter action is a faster action and less metal/length in the receiver means a lighter and shorter rifle.
The Short Mags are a good idea, but have their pros and cons like anything else. The pro being similar ballistic performance in a smaller package, a con being they are typically limited on the very highest bullet weights feasible in their traditional magnum counterparts. Whether all the cartridges will continue to be produced in WSM and WSSM ... only time will tell. I think some of them are certainly viable though. And no, I do not own, nor have I fired any of them before.
The ones which I find most appealing though are the 300 WSM, 325 WSM and the 350 Remington Magnum (although not labeled as such, it qualifies as a short magnum excepting the belt).
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07/25/06 04:52 AM
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TCH i hope it didnt seem like i was bashing them too bad as they are a good idea. i just didnt like the extra hassles that went into them countless hrs or modifying equipment to fit them and also the discouraging hrs spent on the shooting bench and at the reloading bench trying to develop loads for them. they also just didnt fit a niche in my mind of what i wanted out of them but i am very narrow minded when it comes to calibers. on a side note those of you that reload go buy some win supreme ammo and pull the bullet, dump out the powder and then try to get it all back in.
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Re: short magnum fad
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07/25/06 05:46 AM
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i hope it didnt seem like i was bashing them too bad as they are a good idea. i just didnt like the extra hassles that went into them countless hrs or modifying equipment to fit them and also the discouraging hrs spent on the shooting bench and at the reloading bench trying to develop loads for them. they also just didnt fit a niche in my mind of what i wanted out of them but i am very narrow minded when it comes to calibers.
on a side note those of you that reload go buy some win supreme ammo and pull the bullet, dump out the powder and then try to get it all back in.
Not at all and I agree with you!!
I was just seeing many good comments about the WSSM'S and WSM'S from folks that own them and bad comments from those that have no idea about them! You are entitled to your opinion and don't have to apologize for your opinion to me or anyone else. Especially b/c you have owned and fired one!! 
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