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Re: 22-250 for Deer hunting
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FYI 53gr @ 3800fps has 1023 ft/lbs energy
150gr @ 2425fps has 1074 ft/lbs energy
I wouldn't pick either one of those combonations
thrown in a 26 in barrel on the 22-250
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Re: 22-250 for Deer hunting
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06/17/09 09:05 PM
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My 22-250 is better than both of those options
3200fps w/ an 80gr AMAX yeilds this:
50yrds 3094fps 1700 ft/lbs 100yrds 2984fps 1581 ft/lbs 150yrds 2876fps 1469 ft/lbs 200yrds 2772fps 1364 ft/lbs
and I still take my .308 if I was only going to own one weapon.
I'd take a 25-06 or 257 wby
My point was its hard to argue the fact that the 22-250 is to small to effectively kill deer in TX.. Thats all
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Re: 22-250 for Deer hunting
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06/17/09 10:12 PM
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A 22-250 will kill a deer, but so will a 22. All shooters that use a 22-250 will lose a deer eventually, most already have and won't admit it. I can promise you that they will be all over me about this comment and tell me how many big deer they have dropped in their tracks, but that gun is ABSOLUTELY, not sufficient for whitetails.
I've seen several lost that were shot with a 30-06 as well, so "that bucket don't hold no water."
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Re: 22-250 for Deer hunting
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06/17/09 10:36 PM
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A 22-250 will kill a deer, but so will a 22. All shooters that use a 22-250 will lose a deer eventually, most already have and won't admit it. I can promise you that they will be all over me about this comment and tell me how many big deer they have dropped in their tracks, but that gun is ABSOLUTELY, not sufficient for whitetails.
I've seen several lost that were shot with a 30-06 as well, so "that bucket don't hold no water."
The point I was trying to make was not so much sufficient but efficient. I can cut grass with a weedeater all day but a riding mower with a 48" deck is going to do a better cleaner faster job.....there are better tools for the job.
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Re: 22-250 for Deer hunting
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06/17/09 10:42 PM
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Yep, a bigger gun will make them more dead.
My wife's only thing is it can't stare at her when she is eating or sleeping!
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Re: 22-250 for Deer hunting
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06/17/09 11:31 PM
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Yep, a bigger gun will make them more dead.
and a weed eater will get your grass just as short as a schredder
and a jeep will get you from point A to point B just like a Corvette will
and a 1/2 lb hammer will drive a T-post to the same dept as a 16 lb sledge...
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Re: 22-250 for Deer hunting
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06/17/09 11:44 PM
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A 22-250 will kill a deer, but so will a 22. All shooters that use a 22-250 will lose a deer eventually, most already have and won't admit it. I can promise you that they will be all over me about this comment and tell me how many big deer they have dropped in their tracks, but that gun is ABSOLUTELY, not sufficient for whitetails.
I've seen several lost that were shot with a 30-06 as well, so "that bucket don't hold no water."
The point I was trying to make was not so much sufficient but efficient. I can cut grass with a weedeater all day but a riding mower with a 48" deck is going to do a better cleaner faster job.....there are better tools for the job.
efficent is a relative term... your eyes it may be more efficent but if someone can't handle the a big mower they can do the same job with the weedeater, or a smaller mower
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Re: 22-250 for Deer hunting
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06/18/09 12:18 AM
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FowlPlayer, why isn't it your "go-to" gun all of the time? You just won my argument for me. If you have faith in this load for whitetails, all of them should get the same respect, you should not use a larger caliber because you are afraid of losing the bone on top of their head.
I beleive that a 7mag is on the opposite end of the spectrum for texas whitetail, being almost as innefective, maybe I never have found the right load for a 7mag, but it seems to me that it just pinholes our thinskinned whitetails, bullet is so hot it never expands on impact.
A 22-250 is an excellent load for shooting varmints and a 7mag is an excellent load for shooting northern whitetails and muledeer. Each weapon has a good application and should be used accordingly.
You guys that are using these 22-250's on whitetails would probably argue that you could eat as much steak as me with a spoon, that might be right, but I will use my fork just the same.
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Re: 22-250 for Deer hunting
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06/18/09 12:27 AM
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FowlPlayer, why isn't it your "go-to" gun all of the time? You just won my argument for me. If you have faith in this load for whitetails, all of them should get the same respect, you should not use a larger caliber because you are afraid of losing the bone on top of their head.
I beleive that a 7mag is on the opposite end of the spectrum for texas whitetail, being almost as innefective, maybe I never have found the right load for a 7mag, but it seems to me that it just pinholes our thinskinned whitetails, bullet is so hot it never expands on impact.
A 22-250 is an excellent load for shooting varmints and a 7mag is an excellent load for shooting northern whitetails and muledeer. Each weapon has a good application and should be used accordingly.
You guys that are using these 22-250's on whitetails would probably argue that you could eat as much steak as me with a spoon, that might be right, but I will use my fork just the same.
Fowlplayer or me?
My go to is a 25-06.... But I hunt mainly the panhandle and northern parts of oklahoma... where shots reach out past 300 yards and my 25-06 is 3-4 inches shorter then any of my other guns... but I have killed probley at least 90 more deer(MLD doe hunts) with my 22-250(which my neice now uses) then with my 25-06.
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Re: 22-250 for Deer hunting
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JGiles, FowlPlyr stated that a 22-250 is his "go to" gun unless he is "hunting for big bucks".
I like a 25-06 as well, but since I started shooting a 7mm Express (.280), I haven't used anything else. No matter what I am after in the states, (unless i'm varmint huntin, then I use my 22-250) I use the same gun and load. I still say for someone that can't "use the big lawnmower", a .243 is as low as you want to go.
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Re: 22-250 for Deer hunting
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Cooner: could you explain what this means:
"bullet is so hot it never expands on impact".
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Re: 22-250 for Deer hunting
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06/18/09 12:57 AM
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That the bullet is traveling at such a high rate of speed, at such a velocity, with such ferocity, with so much MAGNUM, BELTED power, that the bullet does not expand. In other words if you don't hit a bone or something, it "pinholes em".
Now JJH, I am a good sport, so I have a pen and paper out and am ready for you to verse me on every bullet ballistic that you have knowledge of so I can be informed as you and you can bring me into the 22-250 fold.
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Re: 22-250 for Deer hunting
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06/18/09 01:00 AM
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Iv been using the 22-250 for 15 years never had a problem,and using 50grn noslers.
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Re: 22-250 for Deer hunting
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06/18/09 01:03 AM
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JGiles, FowlPlyr stated that a 22-250 is his "go to" gun unless he is "hunting for big bucks".
I like a 25-06 as well, but since I started shooting a 7mm Express (.280), I haven't used anything else. No matter what I am after in the states, (unless i'm varmint huntin, then I use my 22-250) I use the same gun and load. I still say for someone that can't "use the big lawnmower", a .243 is as low as you want to go.
And i'm telling you that I have have killed probely over 90 deer with it and never lost one.. hell 20 of those where in one day. None of us are going to change your mind.. but the proof is in the pudding... And a fast well made bullet will make pudding..
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Re: 22-250 for Deer hunting
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06/18/09 01:04 AM
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Two Boot, Good for you, I hope your shot is always true and you never have the misfortune of losing one. Have you EVER lost a deer with that gun?
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Re: 22-250 for Deer hunting
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06/18/09 01:08 AM
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Re: 22-250 for Deer hunting
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06/18/09 01:10 AM
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That the bullet is traveling at such a high rate of speed, at such a velocity, with such ferocity, with so much MAGNUM, BELTED power, that the bullet does not expand. In other words if you don't hit a bone or something, it "pinholes em".
Now JJH, I am a good sport, so I have a pen and paper out and am ready for you to verse me on every bullet ballistic that you have knowledge of so I can be informed as you and you can bring me into the 22-250 fold.
Best of luck to you out there
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Re: 22-250 for Deer hunting
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06/18/09 01:17 AM
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"None of us are going to change your mind.. but the proof is in the pudding... And a fast well made bullet will make pudding.."
Than let's eat some pudding! I say you shoot your 22-250 and tell people that ask, that you like it and tell them your success stories and how many deer you have killed with it and I will tell them that I think it is too small and I will tell them about a couple of deer a old man lost with one in Llano one weekend and about fours hours one night and some the next day looking for a wounded deer that we never found or about an eight point that a guy shot three times this past year with one, (he did kill it). I think they are not sufficient, you think they are, you think I'm wrong and vice versa. So be it.
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Re: 22-250 for Deer hunting
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06/18/09 01:18 AM
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Two Boot, Good for you, I hope your shot is always true and you never have the misfortune of losing one. Have you EVER lost a deer with that gun?
Yes....I have with a 30-06.. shot it high knocked it down and never found it even after putting the dogs on him. Got him on camera the next year so he lived.
So by your question apparently you think that you have a better chance recovering a deer with a bad shot with a big bore then a small bore.... ^^ Again best of luck to you out there
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Re: 22-250 for Deer hunting
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Cooner: well, I'm glad you're a good sport. But if you're expecting me to drag you into the 22-250 fold, I'm not your guy. I usually use a 270, 280, or 257AI for deer. But, FWIW, I do not agree with your assessment of the 7mag. I like you, am a fan of the 280, and have chronoed a lot of 280's and 7mags. With Factory ammo, there usually isn't much difference. But let's say the factory velocity claims are, in fact, correct. the big7 supposedly sends the 150gr CL at about 3100fps, your 280 launches the same bullet at about 2900 fps. The mag is about 3" flatter (whoopie) at 300 yds, and has the less velocity at 200 yds as your 280 at 100 yds. I seriouly doubt that you (or a deer) would ever notice the difference. Seocnd point, given the same bullet, there will be MORE expansion at a higer velocity, not less. So the mag would be less likely to pencil through than your(or my) 280. The key is the BULLET, not the cartridge. If you use a controlled expansion bullet, designed for very deep penetration, and for use on bigger game, then, yes, you might have trouble with insufficient expansion on our little TX deer. But that would be true whether the bullet came out of a 280 or a 7Mag. And I have the same opinion regarding the 22-250. Given proper bullets (ie, those designed for deer) it can be an effective round under certain conditions. (With varmint bullets, it can be effective under even more controlled conditions). The bullet is more important than the name impressed on the case head.
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Re: 22-250 for Deer hunting
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Two Boot, Good for you, I hope your shot is always true and you never have the misfortune of losing one. Have you EVER lost a deer with that gun?
Yes....I have with a 30-06.. shot it high knocked it down and never found it even after putting the dogs on him. Got him on camera the next year so he lived.
So by your question apparently you think that you have a better chance recovering a deer with a bad shot with a big bore then a small bore.... ^^ Again best of luck to you out there
JGiles, you can't beleive a grown man would actually think that way, could you?? This thread was about a weapon for begginers, I definately beleive they have a better chance with the biggest caliber they can handle and nothing smaller than a .243, I thought that was obvious from my remarks of being able to kill one with a 22.
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Re: 22-250 for Deer hunting
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06/18/09 01:32 AM
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I us a 350 gr arrow, 100 gr boardhead, pushing 250 fps, is that enough energy to take down a WT? Bigger arrows are not alway better.
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Re: 22-250 for Deer hunting
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Two Boot, Good for you, I hope your shot is always true and you never have the misfortune of losing one. Have you EVER lost a deer with that gun?
Yes....I have with a 30-06.. shot it high knocked it down and never found it even after putting the dogs on him. Got him on camera the next year so he lived.
So by your question apparently you think that you have a better chance recovering a deer with a bad shot with a big bore then a small bore.... ^^ Again best of luck to you out there
JGiles, you can't beleive a grown man would actually think that way, could you?? This thread was about a weapon for begginers, I definately beleive they have a better chance with the biggest caliber they can handle and nothing smaller than a .243, I thought that was obvious from my remarks of being able to kill one with a 22.
Ok lets look at this way... would you start your 10 year old son or duaghter off with a 30-06... No... to me the biggest thing about shooting anything is the confedance that you can put the bullet in the right spot... take away the recoil and the noise... and you jsut elimated 99 percent of shooter error.
my best friend's grandfather owns a huge ranch in llano/mason. She is 31 and has killed more deer then most men... She grew up killing deer with the same rifle as her granddad a 222. She recently missed 2 deer this year with a 6mm that she stepped up to... why she wasn't confiedent in it as her 222(which she never lost a deer with...) she went back to the 222 and guess what bullseye
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Re: 22-250 for Deer hunting
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alright just to prove a point...
243 with 100 grain bullet energy- 1615 @ 100 and 1330 @ 200 and doctaylor little load he posted with an 80 grain bullet 1581 @ 100 and 1364 @ 200.....
Thats about as close as you can get to each other and add in the fact the 22-250 is with 20 grains less of bullet and half the recoil... speed kills
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Re: 22-250 for Deer hunting
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Two Boot, Good for you, I hope your shot is always true and you never have the misfortune of losing one. Have you EVER lost a deer with that gun?
Yes....I have with a 30-06.. shot it high knocked it down and never found it even after putting the dogs on him. Got him on camera the next year so he lived.
So by your question apparently you think that you have a better chance recovering a deer with a bad shot with a big bore then a small bore.... ^^ Again best of luck to you out there
JGiles, you can't beleive a grown man would actually think that way, could you?? This thread was about a weapon for begginers, I definately beleive they have a better chance with the biggest caliber they can handle and nothing smaller than a .243, I thought that was obvious from my remarks of being able to kill one with a 22.
Ok lets look at this way... would you start your 10 year old son or duaghter off with a 30-06... No... to me the biggest thing about shooting anything is the confedance that you can put the bullet in the right spot... take away the recoil and the noise... and you jsut elimated 99 percent of shooter error.
my best friend's grandfather owns a huge ranch in llano/mason. She is 31 and has killed more deer then most men... She grew up killing deer with the same rifle as her granddad a 222. She recently missed 2 deer this year with a 6mm that she stepped up to... why she wasn't confiedent in it as her 222(which she never lost a deer with...) she went back to the 222 and guess what bullseye
Of course I wouldn't start my son off with a 30-06, why don't I just give him a 50cal. I never said I was an advocate of big guns, you said that. I will start him out with the biggest caliber he can handle, nothing smaller than a .243, like I said from the outset. He will more than likely use the very same .243 that my dad bought me for my 9th birthday, youth model, designed for less recoil, loud as hell though.
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