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Re: How wolves can alter the course of rivers!
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It's not. It was an example. Elk err destroying the habitat. Sorry the wolves got out of hand, but that's why wildlife management is more about people management. They didn't think that seventy years ago, the wolf population would do this, and people would become crazy tree huggers. It's an accident, but wolves aren't bad. Too many are tough. Wolves are great, so long as they don't introduce them into your backyard… I don't see a massive push to reintroduce grizzlies to All the parks in California… Don't see a push to bring wolves back to New York State… They pushed to introduce wolves into the flyover country so the coasts could feel happy about an effort and neither had to deal with it.
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Re: How wolves can alter the course of rivers!
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So as long as it's not in your back yard it's ok? Lol. That's probably the stupidest thing I've heard. Reintroducing wolves into the panhandle here would be stupid for sure, but in Yellowstone it was logical, it just want handled right.
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Re: How wolves can alter the course of rivers!
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That was an ironic statement man.
Why would it be stupid in the panhandle? There is plenty of food, deer and antelope populations are pretty high. They aren't restricted by fencing… coyotes seem to do well.
Why wouldn't introducing wolves be a good thing? Its certainly much lower population density than California or the East Coast.
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Re: How wolves can alter the course of rivers!
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Re: How wolves can alter the course of rivers!
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That was an ironic statement man.
Why would it be stupid in the panhandle? There is plenty of food, deer and antelope populations are pretty high. They aren't restricted by fencing… coyotes seem to do well.
Why wouldn't introducing wolves be a good thing? Its certainly much lower population density than California or the East Coast. Our deer population isn't that good, and we have no antelope. Now if you mean pronghorn, we have a few, but not a sustainable population. And the reason wolves used to be in the panhandle was because elk used to populate the panhandle.
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Re: How wolves can alter the course of rivers!
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That was an ironic statement man.
Why would it be stupid in the panhandle? There is plenty of food, deer and antelope populations are pretty high. They aren't restricted by fencing… coyotes seem to do well.
Why wouldn't introducing wolves be a good thing? Its certainly much lower population density than California or the East Coast. Our deer population isn't that good, and we have no antelope. Now if you mean pronghorn, we have a few, but not a sustainable population. And the reason wolves used to be in the panhandle was because elk used to populate the panhandle. Oh for crying out loud.
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Re: How wolves can alter the course of rivers!
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So why are you so against wolves in Yellowstone? And I'm talking about the species that was supposed to be reintroduced. The wrong one got introduced, that is a mistake, and it's caused problems no doubt. I'm not against wolves in North America. I'm against the liberal/ hippie, non-hunter, and British spokesman narrator only telling how great they are. I have major respect for coyotes, and I shoot everyone I see on site. The same should be done with wolves. The ONLY thing that will keep their numbers (other than our intervention) is starvation and dehydration. And that has not reduced their numbers for the last years they have been reintroduced.
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Re: How wolves can alter the course of rivers!
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That was an ironic statement man.
Why would it be stupid in the panhandle? There is plenty of food, deer and antelope populations are pretty high. They aren't restricted by fencing… coyotes seem to do well.
Why wouldn't introducing wolves be a good thing? Its certainly much lower population density than California or the East Coast. Our deer population isn't that good, and we have no antelope. Now if you mean pronghorn, we have a few, but not a sustainable population. And the reason wolves used to be in the panhandle was because elk used to populate the panhandle. My ranch is in the panhandle I have an outstanding population of pronghorns and a quickly growing mulie, WT and even Elk population. I actually can get CD permits every year do to the plethora of pronghorns. Best not to paint a broad stroke.
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Re: How wolves can alter the course of rivers!
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That was an ironic statement man.
Why would it be stupid in the panhandle? There is plenty of food, deer and antelope populations are pretty high. They aren't restricted by fencing… coyotes seem to do well.
Why wouldn't introducing wolves be a good thing? Its certainly much lower population density than California or the East Coast. Our deer population isn't that good, and we have no antelope. Now if you mean pronghorn, we have a few, but not a sustainable population. And the reason wolves used to be in the panhandle was because elk used to populate the panhandle. Oh for crying out loud. Yeah. Head on up to the Rita Blanca and observe the amount of Pronghorns are roaming free.
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Re: How wolves can alter the course of rivers!
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Hell you don't even have to go that far they are with in city limits of Amarillo
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Re: How wolves can alter the course of rivers!
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That was an ironic statement man.
Why would it be stupid in the panhandle? There is plenty of food, deer and antelope populations are pretty high. They aren't restricted by fencing… coyotes seem to do well.
Why wouldn't introducing wolves be a good thing? Its certainly much lower population density than California or the East Coast. Our deer population isn't that good, and we have no antelope. Now if you mean pronghorn, we have a few, but not a sustainable population. And the reason wolves used to be in the panhandle was because elk used to populate the panhandle. My ranch is in the panhandle I have an outstanding population of pronghorns and a quickly growing mulie, WT and even Elk population. I actually can get CD permits every year do to the plethora of pronghorns. Best not to paint a broad stroke. I bet you're not in the high plains. And you aren't talking about the majority either, just your well managed place.
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Re: How wolves can alter the course of rivers!
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Hell you don't even have to go that far they are with in city limits of Amarillo A sustainable hunting population?
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Re: How wolves can alter the course of rivers!
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Hell you don't even have to go that far they are with in city limits of Amarillo A sustainable hunting population? Yes, but don't think I'd want people blasting rifles in wide open country with lots of houses around. You venture much to the highplains? I'm guessing not. Where do you think the rest of texas gets their relocation antelope?
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Re: How wolves can alter the course of rivers!
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That was an ironic statement man.
Why would it be stupid in the panhandle? There is plenty of food, deer and antelope populations are pretty high. They aren't restricted by fencing… coyotes seem to do well.
Why wouldn't introducing wolves be a good thing? Its certainly much lower population density than California or the East Coast. Our deer population isn't that good, and we have no antelope. Now if you mean pronghorn, we have a few, but not a sustainable population. And the reason wolves used to be in the panhandle was because elk used to populate the panhandle. My ranch is in the panhandle I have an outstanding population of pronghorns and a quickly growing mulie, WT and even Elk population. I actually can get CD permits every year do to the plethora of pronghorns. Best not to paint a broad stroke. I bet you're not in the high plains. And you aren't talking about the majority either, just your well managed place. You bet very wrong. Lol
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Re: How wolves can alter the course of rivers!
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Hell you don't even have to go that far they are with in city limits of Amarillo A sustainable hunting population? Yes, but don't think I'd want people blasting rifles in wide open country with lots of houses around. You venture much to the highplains? I'm guessing not. Where do you think the rest of texas gets their relocation antelope? I live in the high plains. And what relocation antelope? We putting black buck or something somewhere?
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Re: How wolves can alter the course of rivers!
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Hell you don't even have to go that far they are with in city limits of Amarillo A sustainable hunting population? Yes, but don't think I'd want people blasting rifles in wide open country with lots of houses around. You venture much to the highplains? I'm guessing not. Where do you think the rest of texas gets their relocation antelope? I live in the high plains. And what relocation antelope? We putting black buck or something somewhere? Again with this? Seriously? Yeah, you are right. They're pronghorn. lol
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Re: How wolves can alter the course of rivers!
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I would kill a wolf in a heart beat. Just like a coyote.
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Re: How wolves can alter the course of rivers!
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Most hunter's mentality is that the game they pursue is "theirs" and any other predator is in direct competition with them and must be removed. This is especially true in Texas with the introduction of high fences and exotics. Wildlife populations have changed much over the years due to habitat alterations because of farming and ranching practices. Some have faired very well (whitetail deer, snow geese, small predators)and other have not (buffalo, wolves, bears). We have disrupted the natural cycle of population fluctuation considerably and spend most of our efforts managing those species most important to "us" and not the ecosystem as a whole. Management of wildlife becomes very complex because of all the interest groups involved.
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Re: How wolves can alter the course of rivers!
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I wish I could have seen Texas with bison, black bear, gray wolves and grizzly on the prairie, big horn sheep, elk, moose, bear and wolves in the mountains, Karankawa wading across a 3' deep Galveston bay shucking oysters and bow-fishing for red drum or picking up pecans and hunting deer and black bear around Eagle Lake or the old growth piney woods with red wolves and 20+ foot alligators in every oxbow, but those days are gone and they aren't coming back.
Reintroducing wolves is feasible in areas West of the Louisiana purchase where the fed still owns more than half of the land and you have LARGE parcels of public wilderness. It's not going to happen in Texas; there's very little wilderness left here. There are efforts underway to reintroduce black bear and, sooner or later, someone is going to try to get red wolves re-established in the big thicket, but I don't think either is going to be very successful. Black bear maybe; they're more like coyotes and can make a living anywhere - but red wolves are more sensitive and just plain look too much like coyotes.
In any event, wolf reintroduction here is a non-starter if you ask me and NOT because hunters are greedy over "their" deer, but rather because it's incompatible with agriculture on private land, which is what most of Texas is.
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Re: How wolves can alter the course of rivers!
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Hell you an't even have to go that far they are with in city limits of Amarillo A sustainable hunting population? Yes, but don't think I'd want people blasting rifles in wide open country with lots of houses around. You venture much to the highplains? I'm guessing not. Where do you think the rest of texas gets their relocation antelope? I live in the high plains. And what relocation antelope? We putting black buck or something somewhere? No you don't, you live in the southern edge of the panhandle. My ranch is north of dalhart. The high plains. You should call TPWD and tell them they're idiots and should change their publications. While your on the phone tell them their isn't a substainable population for hunting also in the highplains.
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Re: How wolves can alter the course of rivers!
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Southern edge, are you dumb? Plainview is the southern edge, lol. And dalhart is considered the high plains with rolling plains mixed in.
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Re: How wolves can alter the course of rivers!
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Re: How wolves can alter the course of rivers!
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Southern edge, are you dumb? Plainview is the southern edge, lol. And dalhart is considered the high plains with rolling plains mixed in. You're on the southern east edge where it makes its L. Hence the rolling plains part. Highplains is the western part of the panhandle. I firmly in the HP north of dalhart via 60miles+ i stretch over the state border. You live on a border outlier, technically you could claim rolling plains or HP depending on what side of town you live. Dumb really? You're the one questioning the pronghorn population as not huntable in potter county. Apparently all the HP in addition to potter county. Only pronghorn population that is struggling is those in the Trans Pecos area that was and continuing to be restocked from the highplains area Your also the same guy that has repeatably called all ranchers dumb and the demise of the land scape,, advocated for the protection of the praire dog, and now a none native wolf. You compared cow elk calf recruitment to feral piglet recruitement, you also stated hunting wasn't a viable option of elk population control, although we have hunt countless species to extinction, including the meridian elk. Should I continue?
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Re: How wolves can alter the course of rivers!
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Re: How wolves can alter the course of rivers!
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