Elk are a type of cervid… they are in the deer family… it doesn't mean that it is correct in the US to call them deer instead of elk or wapiti.

How many times have you seen killer whales or orcas called "dolphins" every time there is a reference?

Okay, I can see that you don't understand taxonomy. Killer whales are not dolphins and I can't say I have seen them called such. However, here you are referring from a specific to a specific and it would be somewhat backwards and wrong. While killer whales are not dolphins, it would be okay to refer to dolphins as whales because they are whales. They are just a particular type of whale (general classification) that is called a dolphin (specific classification).

Elk (specific) are a type of deer (general). Deer is the more generalized term, so it is appropriate. If he would have referred to the elk as reindeer, that would have been wrong

Some people on the forum here are to refer to coyotes (specific) as dogs (general) as they are in the Canidae family (aka the dog family). People refer to lions (specific), puma (specific), caracals (specific), tigers (specific), etc. as cats (general) and this is acceptable as well.

It isn't an uneducated statement, but actually an educated statement, just generalized not specific.

What did they think would happen.. they never watch lion king as a kid??

My point was that you don't see them called dolphins… but they are the largest of the dolphin family.

Look it up, because you are 100% wrong.

Different families are treated differently… Would I be correct to call a zebra or a donkey a horse? well technically… but everyone would look at me like I was an idiot.

Calling an moose, elk and caribou "deer" is just like that for americans.

http://screen.yahoo.com/viral-hits/wolves-alter-course-rivers-162607632.html

Wolves are great! We love wolves! We need to protect these wolves since they are so benficial!

I only made if halfway through it. Those are the biggest deer I've ever seen! I was stupid to buy a $565 elk tag in November since those are actually deer.

Who gives a chit? It was a joke I made.

Which is wolves.

Don't spoil the moment!

We've finally got something to argue about instead of HF vrs LF and 30.06 vrs .308.

Sure enough, killer whales are in the dolphin family, but so what? That does not change the fact that they are what they are or that elk are a type of deer. Just because Americans don't follow taxonomy doesn't make following taxonomy wrong. It just means that those who don't follow it are wrong or unaccustomed.

"Deer" is a generalized term, whether you understand that or not, just like "cat" is a generalized term for bobcat, lynx, jaguarondi, and mountain lion, even for Americans. The narrator was not wrong in the use of the term. He wasn't specific, but he wasn't wrong.

Wolves were reintroduced bc the elk population was out of control. Hunting wouldn't of gotten the population under control. The only thing they did was they reintroduced the wrong subspecies. So, it might suck, but all wolves aren't bad, they are an important part of the wildlife hierarchy ecosystem.

Wolves were introduced to make people feel good about introducing wolves... Don't kid yourself.

Hunting big species like elk CERTAINLY can keep a population under control... All you have to do is adjust limits and seasons accordingly?!?!

Wolves being around is fine. The Explosion of wolves due to an easy, non hunted prey population is the problem... That and the American sportsman having to put up with the 40 years of boom bust transition for it to stabilize so some moron in manhattan feels good about there being wolves in the west that he'll never go see.

I agree with you on most deer stuff, but on this, you are wrong. It wasn't to make people feel good, that's not why they did it, even though that might of happened, making people feel good that is.

They reintroduced the wrong subspecies, a wolf who are double than what was originally there. And no, you can't hunt a population down that was drastically over populated. You can bring it down maybe, but not get out managed. It's kind of like the pig population now, out of control, and we can't hunt then enough to bring numbers down.

So you sir, don't fool yourself

Wolves were reintroduced bc the elk population was out of control. Hunting wouldn't of gotten the population under control. The only thing they did was they reintroduced the wrong subspecies. So, it might suck, but all wolves aren't bad, they are an important part of the wildlife hierarchy ecosystem.

There's no doubt that wolves, which are IMO the real north american apex predator, are important to the natural ecology of this continent… But they were virtually extirpated from the lower 48 because they can't coexist with agriculture. Having wolves around your cattle, your sheep, your goats, your pets or your children is really unacceptable in the modern reality; we can't restore wolves to their former numbers to fix the environment. The natural order with wolves is that a pack will move into an area, stake out their territory (which can be more than 150,000 acres on poor land) and then deplete the game to the point that it won't support the pack any more. When that happens, the pack moves on or splits up leaving a little haven with more browse and graze than the remaining game can eat and their population rebounds - until wolves find it again. That works great to achieve a balance in the form of a cyclical predator/prey relationship in a giant wilderness without political or property boundaries, without fences and without sheep, goats and cows, but I think it's necessarily the case that a successful wolf population in Yellowstone is going to grow beyond the park's carrying capacity and the wolves aren't going to just stay inside the park and starve - then it will become clear why wolves were on the endangered list to begin with (guess what, hippies: it wasn't because under-evolved, knuckle-dragging, tobacco-spitting, bloodthirsty hunters just loved to kill them so much). Over time, conflicts with humans will become more common… But the irrational nature boys and girls (don't misunderstand me, I'm something of a tree-hugger and consider myself a naturalist - but I would like to think I'm sane, I don't want to make friends with coastal brown bears, I'm not at all tempted to be an ethical vegan or put on a ski mask and steal people's chickens to "set them free" and I don't think that fish should have legal standing in a court of law) don't seem to care about what the people who will have to deal with the wolves are going to go through - they just care that their disney movie has a happy ending.

The wolves are going to have to be managed at some point; they can't just be left alone forever.

I understand this. We have to manage the wolves, no doubt.

Wolves were reintroduced bc the elk population was out of control. Hunting wouldn't of gotten the population under control. The only thing they did was they reintroduced the wrong subspecies. So, it might suck, but all wolves aren't bad, they are an important part of the wildlife hierarchy ecosystem.

So why are you so against wolves in Yellowstone? And I'm talking about the species that was supposed to be reintroduced. The wrong one got introduced, that is a mistake, and it's caused problems no doubt.

Wow.... Not bad? Tell that to Minn moose population that was on a great rebound that now has less then 1 % calf recruitment.

How can you say that you can't hunt an elk population down when it's as simple as increasing tag numbers. I have no idea how the meridian elk population is now extinct. Must of been the otters or badgers.

When 99% of the west is draw tags for elk you cant ignore the hunting as an effective means of population control.

And how can any wildlife degreed individual compare elk to pigs? Surely they thought you in school the difference in breeding and the difference in calf and piglet recruitment. Elk cows are 1-1 on an great year. Pig sows are 1-10 on a really really really really record bad year.

Did you think this argument out or you just jumping in to say your in love with canadian wolves?

Come on now, don't be stupid.