Bowslayer you may as well give it up. You can argue all day long but you cant fix stupid. I have tried everything i know of to convince TPW that there is a problem and a easy fix that make pro ar and anti ar people happy and they wont even reply to a simple email. As for the pro ar people here n the forum they dont care because its working for them. What ticks me off is because we have a problem with ar rules and bag limits and its NOT working for us we are automatically a poacher or a bambi killer. I would ike a few big bucks roaming the woods at my place and all i have seen is the population go down every year like clockwork and seeing i have lived and hunted there for 26yrs now i pretty much consider myself a expert on whats happening on my property. Wont ever tell another man he dont know what is happening in HIS part of the woods and dont expect anyone to tell me.

Seadog....my buddy saw a decent buck come from your old lease running a doe yesterday...said it had a big ol' club drop tine and was a 12pt with beams curving around and almost touching. I'll give you 1 guess on if you think he was outside his ears.

Bowslayer you may as well give it up. You can argue all day long but you cant fix stupid. I have tried everything i know of to convince TPW that there is a problem and a easy fix that make pro ar and anti ar people happy and they wont even reply to a simple email. As for the pro ar people here n the forum they dont care because its working for them. What ticks me off is because we have a problem with ar rules and bag limits and its NOT working for us we are automatically a poacher or a bambi killer. I would ike a few big bucks roaming the woods at my place and all i have seen is the population go down every year like clockwork and seeing i have lived and hunted there for 26yrs now i pretty much consider myself a expert on whats happening on my property. Wont ever tell another man he dont know what is happening in HIS part of the woods and dont expect anyone to tell me.

TTT
You fellas keep this going till I get back on Dec 17th. from my West Texas and Western Kansas Mule Deer hunts...with no AR's I will leave this for ya'll also.

hoyt,

how big a property is it?

it may be an isolated issue, not a county wide problem, you may want to give your biologist a call and find out, after all he does the surveys.

In any case that's a bag limit issue and not a AR issue.

my inlaws live in blanco county and due to their neighbors they have a low deer population, but as a whole the county has one of the highest deer populations in the state.

I think he said 50 acres from the last big AR thread. They will tell you that the bag limit and ARs go together because they were implemented at the same time. I asked the exact same question. I think those with smaller acreage ranches would benefit from a coop. Our neighbor formed a coop after we HFed our place. They got something like 15000 acres together and were producing a healthy herd with a mature buck herd, younger doe herd and an increase in antler size. They were killing bucks in the 40 to low 50s

What about condemning them on 1100 acres?

that's a more substantial tract and is a better gauge of whats actually going on. but, small neighbors surrounding a 1100 acre tract can put a hurting on populations as well.


have you called to biologist to get his opinion? that is where I would start to make some headway. Get a co-op formed and get on MLD level 3 and the bag limits and AR's don't apply any more. its managed as an individual block of property

It's already MLD 3 and we consult a Biologist almost weekly. Even being a fairly large tract of land for the area the deer population is dwindling. They don't stay on our property and the bag limits for the County are too liberal. We do deer surveys twice a year and observation reports from every hunter. It's easy to follow the paper trail back to where the problem originated.

If it came from my old lease it will living a long life with AR's protecting it!!!

It's already MLD 3 and we consult a Biologist almost weekly. Even being a fairly large tract of land for the area the deer population is dwindling. They don't stay on our property and the bag limits for the County are too liberal. We do deer surveys twice a year and observation reports from every hunter. It's easy to follow the paper trail back to where the problem originated.

It comes across the wrong person who still has a buck permit left on the other side and he's making the long ride to the taxidermist.

well at that point you have done all you can do and I would be upset at the bag limit aspect of it as well.

I would make a call to the county biologist(if it is a different biologist) and send him data and information weekly.


one often overlooked aspect of bag limits is how many neighboring landowners hunt.

Get off MLD or make plans to not meet quotas with small neighbors..y'all meet quotas, neighbors shoot deer drawn off the place and has you exceeding quotas every year. I won't put the place in managing on the program bc of being surrounded by NF & WMA and having no frigging clue what gets shot.

Wow, thanks STX! That's good stuff. Can I buy it with my Lonestar Card?