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Re: Possible new antler restriction exception rule
[Re: Ranch Dawg]
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11/15/13 10:10 PM
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excellent afterthought. ar should never have been applied to youth hunters anyway. anything walking for kids.
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Re: Possible new antler restriction exception rule
[Re: maximum]
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11/16/13 10:42 AM
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Jimbo
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excellent afterthought. ar should never have been applied to youth hunters anyway. anything walking for kids. Yep, and the argument that people will cheat!....Well, what else is new? I agree, we need the kids in order to further our sport, and AR's are not the way to get it done!
Last edited by Jimbo; 11/16/13 10:42 AM.
Thursday at 12:45 PM #33 Once i learned that i didn't "NEED" to kill something, and that if i did kill something all the fun stopped and work began, i was a much better hunter.
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Re: Possible new antler restriction exception rule
[Re: Sq2 hunter]
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11/16/13 05:45 PM
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ryorgensen
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I don't see how that helps. A lot of properties have a lot more than just a few culls on each property. And I've been on a few leases that don't allow guests and/or none of the people on the lease have kids. They just need to allow you to kill culls as needed but required to take pics of antlers and maybe send in the jaw... It would help a lot...even with just a few culls taken each yr. Those leases that don't allow or the people don't have kids would need to take a kid hunting! I'm sure the kid would be thrilled! I hope they implement this next year!
Robert
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Re: Possible new antler restriction exception rule
[Re: Ranch Dawg]
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11/16/13 05:55 PM
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ryorgensen
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This should be done with no relation to the cull buck issue. It should just be done to make sure we keep the young ones interested in hunting. Give 'em a chance to get a buck quicker and not be constantly told that they can't shoot because it doesn't measure up.
I think its great, kids should be exempt from the AR in my opinion. They get really tired of hearing "don't shoot it, the horns aint right". They will loose all interest in this great sport very fast. Agree with these!
Robert
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Re: Possible new antler restriction exception rule
[Re: Hogslayer5L]
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11/16/13 07:29 PM
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1860.colt
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im bout as bright as a burnt out light bulb still trying ta figure out what a CULL deer is trying ta learn
i'm postaddic
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Re: Possible new antler restriction exception rule
[Re: 1860.colt]
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11/16/13 07:54 PM
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jshouse
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im bout as bright as a burnt out light bulb still trying ta figure out what a CULL deer is trying ta learn it has many different meanings to many different people, could be any spike, could be only spikes >2.5yo, could be anything over 4.5 with "only" 8pts, could be anything over 3.5 with only 10pts, just depends on where you are hunting and what the herd looks like. but also dont foget the ever present "monster" that turns into a "cull" in the photo section once that ground shrinkage sinks in and the tape measure gets pulled out.
If I send my neighbors a text and ask them to give me feedback on my lawn and plant rye into a giant dong pattern, I'm probably going to get some less than positive feedback. Same goes here.
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Re: Possible new antler restriction exception rule
[Re: jshouse]
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11/16/13 08:05 PM
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Have visited with Biologists, program directors, regional enforcement people all in the last couple of months.... not a mention of any changes
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Re: Possible new antler restriction exception rule
[Re: Ranch Dawg]
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11/16/13 08:38 PM
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Re: Possible new antler restriction exception rule
[Re: jshouse]
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11/16/13 08:58 PM
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im bout as bright as a burnt out light bulb still trying ta figure out what a CULL deer is trying ta learn it has many different meanings to many different people, could be any spike, could be only spikes >2.5yo, could be anything over 4.5 with "only" 8pts, could be anything over 3.5 with only 10pts, just depends on where you are hunting and what the herd looks like. but also dont foget the ever present "monster" that turns into a "cull" in the photo section once that ground shrinkage sinks in and the tape measure gets pulled out. usualy the bigger the deer the more pts ya get. kinda like a guy wieghing 250lbs can drink more pts than a dude wieghing 150lbs, little guy gonna get slobbernockeled a whole lot faster.
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Re: Possible new antler restriction exception rule
[Re: 1860.colt]
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11/16/13 09:28 PM
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txshntr
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Good idea if it is true.
As far as people will cheat...you really think they aren't already???
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Re: Possible new antler restriction exception rule
[Re: txshntr]
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11/16/13 09:50 PM
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dogcatcher
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Good idea if it is true.
As far as people will cheat...you really think they aren't already??? There is no telling how many under sized deer have been left in the woods to rot or snuck out and processed at home.
Combat Infantryman, the ultimate hunter where the prey shoots back. _____________"Illegitimus non carborundum est"_______________
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Re: Possible new antler restriction exception rule
[Re: dogcatcher]
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11/16/13 09:55 PM
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jshouse
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or how many "6 year olds" have 160's on the wall from youth weekend.....
If I send my neighbors a text and ask them to give me feedback on my lawn and plant rye into a giant dong pattern, I'm probably going to get some less than positive feedback. Same goes here.
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Re: Possible new antler restriction exception rule
[Re: Hogslayer5L]
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11/17/13 05:06 AM
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I've heard rumblings about this here and on other forums and I'm all for it.
Obviously it would allow us to cull inferior genetics, but more importantly it would be far easier for youth hunters to tag a buck.
Win, win in my book.
"In a civilized and cultivated country, wild animals only continue to exist at all when preserved by sportsmen." -Theodore Roosevelt
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Re: Possible new antler restriction exception rule
[Re: Troutfisch]
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11/18/13 02:51 AM
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KWood_TSU
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I don't like it. I'd rather teach my kid management and rules. I'd be all for telling my kid, no, he's not old enough. I believe that teaches responsibility and understanding of the laws.
If tpwd was to make an adjustment, it needs to be a deer that is over 3.5 years old. The ar's is a age law, so I think it needs to have that exception.
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Re: Possible new antler restriction exception rule
[Re: Ranch Dawg]
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11/18/13 03:10 AM
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TRoberts
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I've been wanting a rule like this to hit the books since the begining.
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Re: Possible new antler restriction exception rule
[Re: Hogslayer5L]
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11/18/13 11:09 PM
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Slow Drifter
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I've been going to meetings, e-mailing, and writing P&W about this for about three years. If this is true I'm glad, but I've heard nothing about it. Some of y'all may not like me very much because I've also proposed they lower the youth age to 15. At 16 a kid can drive. I know there's no "magic" number, but if the kid can drive on a public road he/she ought to have the maturity and patience to wait for a mature deer. Just me.
"I have no idea what WW-III will be fought with, but WW-IV will be fought with sticks and stones." A. Einstein
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Re: Possible new antler restriction exception rule
[Re: KWood_TSU]
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11/19/13 02:08 AM
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Hogslayer5L
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I don't like it. I'd rather teach my kid management and rules. I'd be all for telling my kid, no, he's not old enough. I believe that teaches responsibility and understanding of the laws.
If tpwd was to make an adjustment, it needs to be a deer that is over 3.5 years old. The ar's is a age law, so I think it needs to have that exception. If this is your opinion you could always just keep doing what you are doing. The law doesnt say the kid has to shoot the first 4 point that walks out. But, some places a kid could hunt for years and not get to shoot anything and not every kid has the patience to stick with it. As for a age limit, it will never happen. There is no way to police or enforce it.
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Re: Possible new antler restriction exception rule
[Re: Hogslayer5L]
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11/19/13 05:53 AM
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nsmike
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I don't like it. I'd rather teach my kid management and rules. I'd be all for telling my kid, no, he's not old enough. I believe that teaches responsibility and understanding of the laws.
If tpwd was to make an adjustment, it needs to be a deer that is over 3.5 years old. The ar's is a age law, so I think it needs to have that exception. If this is your opinion you could always just keep doing what you are doing. The law doesnt say the kid has to shoot the first 4 point that walks out. But, some places a kid could hunt for years and not get to shoot anything and not every kid has the patience to stick with it. As for a age limit, it will never happen. There is no way to police or enforce it. I take a different view, you have a cull that's only legal for a youth hunter to shoot. It becomes his/her buck to harvest what better way to teach management. I can tell you from experience, when you have to match wits with one particular deer, it becomes a trophy.
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Re: Possible new antler restriction exception rule
[Re: Ranch Dawg]
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11/19/13 12:52 PM
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RedTrail
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Hunted this weekend with my 13 year old. The AR bug hit him hard on a few bucks he really wanted to take. I know he'd be in for this new rule!
”Those people who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do.”
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Re: Possible new antler restriction exception rule
[Re: RedTrail]
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11/19/13 07:57 PM
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JRPurvis
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I'm all for relaxing the rules for kids....and then I'd define kid as anyone under the age of 100. Let each of us form our own idea of what a good or bad buck is, and don't force us to use antler size as the criteria.
Deer quality is not measured by antler size
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Re: Possible new antler restriction exception rule
[Re: Phantom]
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11/19/13 08:18 PM
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marine0311
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I have the same issue and I am all for it.
.....and to protect and defend his people, God made Marines.
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Re: Possible new antler restriction exception rule
[Re: marine0311]
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11/19/13 10:26 PM
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My son killed a few deer with a gun but few years back started bow hunting sat in the stand all season with his bow and passed up tons of small bucks got bored and does not hunt any more. don't know if not being able to shoot one with his bow was the reason or not. Just saying he is not interested in going any more.
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