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Email from Botach Tactical about Pmags
#4119128
03/13/13 05:35 PM
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RKHarm24
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Dear Valued Customer
We regret to inform you that due to our POS (Point of Sale) system limitations on holding backorders for more than 60 days, current market conditions and no firm ETA from the manufacturer; we are canceling all outstanding orders for Magpul magazines.
As the manufacturer is doing their best to supply all their distributors with small sporadic shipments, we highly recommend you to join our mailing list, Facebook and/or Twitter accounts for updates on inventory.
Botach Tactical
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Botach Tactical...Those @#%#$#$$#$#W@
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03/13/13 05:47 PM
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BearkatHunter2011
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This is what I received from them today. Ordered 10 PMags on 12/18/2012. Have been on backorder ever since. However, I know folks who purchased them after me for more money. I held out for my order for $12.30 each.
Dear Valued Customer We regret to inform you that due to our POS (Point of Sale) system limitations on holding backorders for more than 60 days, current market conditions and no firm ETA from the manufacturer; we are canceling all outstanding orders for Magpul magazines.
As the manufacturer is doing their best to supply all their distributors with small sporadic shipments, we highly recommend you to join our mailing list, Facebook and/or Twitter accounts for updates on inventory. Botach Tactical
My response to them was I will no longer do business with you.
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Re: Botach Tactical...Those @#%#$#$$#$#W@
[Re: qsomething]
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03/13/13 07:20 PM
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Thanks, I will never purchase from them either. I have read of many instances where this has happened
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Re: Botach Tactical...Those @#%#$#$$#$#W@
[Re: PiePuncher]
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03/13/13 08:01 PM
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kleinwild
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Everybody loves capitalism till it works against them lol
"2 lines you should never cross....horizontal and vertical" "bolt actions speak louder than words" "God is not on the side of battalions, but on the side that shoots best"
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Re: Botach Tactical...Those @#%#$#$$#$#W@
[Re: kleinwild]
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03/13/13 08:07 PM
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celtic okie
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Botach has a lot of complaints. They are not very well received on the other forums I look at.
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Re: Botach Tactical...Those @#%#$#$$#$#W@
[Re: kleinwild]
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03/13/13 08:33 PM
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JCB
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Everybody loves capitalism till it works against them lol I wonder if you even know what capitalism is.
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Re: Botach Tactical...Those @#%#$#$$#$#W@
[Re: JCB]
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03/13/13 08:40 PM
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kleinwild
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Everybody loves capitalism till it works against them lol I wonder if you even know what capitalism is. Sure. Let me know when you want a free lesson on it.
Last edited by kleinwild; 03/13/13 08:44 PM.
"2 lines you should never cross....horizontal and vertical" "bolt actions speak louder than words" "God is not on the side of battalions, but on the side that shoots best"
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Re: Botach Tactical...Those @#%#$#$$#$#W@
[Re: kleinwild]
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03/13/13 08:46 PM
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The Dude Abides
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Cheaper Than Dirt and Botach Tactical are now on the "shi_ list"!
I am still looking for the perfect apron, one with reinforced knee areas would be perfect.
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Re: Botach Tactical...Those @#%#$#$$#$#W@
[Re: kleinwild]
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03/13/13 08:50 PM
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celtic okie
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If you know anything about Botach's reputation its just another example of their poor business practices and bad customer service.
Thats not captialism its bad business.
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Re: Botach Tactical...Those @#%#$#$$#$#W@
[Re: celtic okie]
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03/13/13 09:27 PM
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I also heard that during all this they changed the limit to 3 per person. Some folks who had ordered more than that before the change and actually did get some shipped to them only received 3.
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Re: Botach Tactical...Those @#%#$#$$#$#W@
[Re: kleinwild]
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03/13/13 09:29 PM
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Everybody loves capitalism till it works against them lol I wonder if you even know what capitalism is. Sure. Let me know when you want a free lesson on it. I noticed you edited your post from the original "absolutly no idea" comment to now giving free lessons on it. If you think you can become a expert on capitalisim that quick than you are worse off than I originaly thought. But I will take you up on that lesson any how. Please do explain to us how what they did was capitilism. I am dying to hear this.
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Re: Botach Tactical...Those @#%#$#$$#$#W@
[Re: JCB]
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03/13/13 09:36 PM
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Must be the same guys that are running cheaper than dirt. I'm all for capitalism if you have integrity with how you run your business. Fill orders how they are received not higher price first
Militavi Non Sine Gloria
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Re: Botach Tactical...Those @#%#$#$$#$#W@
[Re: JCB]
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03/13/13 09:44 PM
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kleinwild
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Everybody loves capitalism till it works against them lol I wonder if you even know what capitalism is. Sure. Let me know when you want a free lesson on it. I noticed you edited your post from the original "absolutly no idea" comment to now giving free lessons on it. If you think you can become a expert on capitalisim that quick than you are worse off than I originaly thought. But I will take you up on that lesson any how. Please do explain to us how what they did was capitilism. I am dying to hear this. Is what they did was cancel his order to sell at a higher price. It's chicken [censored] but that's what happened. In a nut shell that's a prime example of a twisted form of free market capitalism. Correct me if I'm wrong. As far as editing my orgional post ya I did edit it. I didn't figure I would let you off that easy.
"2 lines you should never cross....horizontal and vertical" "bolt actions speak louder than words" "God is not on the side of battalions, but on the side that shoots best"
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Re: Botach Tactical...Those @#%#$#$$#$#W@
[Re: Hooligan]
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03/13/13 09:45 PM
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kleinwild
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Must be the same guys that are running cheaper than dirt. I'm all for capitalism if you have integrity with how you run your business. Fill orders how they are received not higher price first Me too but many practice a twisted form of free market capitalism.
Last edited by kleinwild; 03/13/13 09:49 PM.
"2 lines you should never cross....horizontal and vertical" "bolt actions speak louder than words" "God is not on the side of battalions, but on the side that shoots best"
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Re: Botach Tactical...Those @#%#$#$$#$#W@
[Re: kleinwild]
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03/13/13 09:57 PM
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JCB
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Is what they did was cancel his order to sell at a higher price. It's chicken [censored] but that's what happened. In a nut shell that's a prime example of a twisted form of free market capitalism. Correct me if I'm wrong. As far as editing my orgional post ya I did edit it. I didn't figure I would let you off that easy.
When a buyer and a seller agree on a purchase price and the buyer agrees to buy for that price both parties are entered into a contract. In this case the contract was in the form of a back order. The way a back order works is when the product comes in that item is suppose to be considered sold to the person that back ordered it and NOT sold to someone else an ANY price. In selling that item to someone else while canceling the back order the seller commited "breach of contract". Breach of contract is different than capitalism. Now this kind of breach of contract may or may not be enforcable by law but its still breach of contract. There is your lesson for the day.
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Re: Botach Tactical...Those @#%#$#$$#$#W@
[Re: JCB]
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03/13/13 10:27 PM
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Never heard a good thing about them from a few different forums, only bad. That's enough to not take the chance & recommend that others not either. Kinda like CTD.
That's the beauty of the free market. A company can follow whatever rules they set for themselves & potential customers can choose to, or not to deal with them because of how they run their business. If they stay in business, they obviously have enough folks who either like the treatment they receive, or don't know any better.
NRA Life Member
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Re: Botach Tactical...Those @#%#$#$$#$#W@
[Re: oulufinn]
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03/13/13 10:47 PM
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kleinwild
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@JCB so what your telling me is that your "contract" want hold water? The elements of a contract are "offer" and "acceptance" by "competent persons" HAVING LEGAL CAPACITY who exchange "consideration" to create "mutuality of obligation." Correct me if in wrong but I'm pretty sure capitalism was the reason they did what they did and not some hole filled contract. Now let me hear your next lesson.
"2 lines you should never cross....horizontal and vertical" "bolt actions speak louder than words" "God is not on the side of battalions, but on the side that shoots best"
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Re: Botach Tactical...Those @#%#$#$$#$#W@
[Re: oulufinn]
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03/13/13 10:55 PM
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Well, you as the buyer do have a contract. The problem is that you can't enforce the contract without legal action and the legal action is far more of an expense than not getting what you bought. In the world where I used to work, failure to perform on a contract pretty much was a death sentence to the non-performing party. Out here in the non-corporate world where I live now, people fail to perform on contracts all the time and there isn't much we can do about it. One thing I did find out was that taking somebody to small claims court is pretty much a wasted exercise, so that's not much of an option. The 'little guy' hasn't got much protection.
Not my monkeys, not my circus...
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Re: Botach Tactical...Those @#%#$#$$#$#W@
[Re: 603Country]
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03/13/13 11:07 PM
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kleinwild
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"2 lines you should never cross....horizontal and vertical" "bolt actions speak louder than words" "God is not on the side of battalions, but on the side that shoots best"
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Re: Botach Tactical...Those @#%#$#$$#$#W@
[Re: 603Country]
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03/13/13 11:54 PM
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JCB
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Well, you as the buyer do have a contract. The problem is that you can't enforce the contract without legal action and the legal action is far more of an expense than not getting what you bought. Well I am glad to see that at least one person gets it.
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Re: Botach Tactical...Those @#%#$#$$#$#W@
[Re: kleinwild]
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03/13/13 11:54 PM
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centurion2000
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Had the EXACT same thing happen to me. 10 days after the election I ordered 15 Troy mags from them at $13 a piece. Held my order and my $$ until 30 days later when they sent a cancellation of my order.
F#$% BotachTactipuke and CTD (Cheats, Thieves & Dirtbags)
"No, I don't know everything. I am damn good with Google though" "Never get into a gunfight with a buffalo hunter. There's no such thing as cover"
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Re: Botach Tactical...Those @#%#$#$$#$#W@
[Re: centurion2000]
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03/14/13 04:49 AM
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Ordered multiple Pmags in dec. last week they shipped me two steel mags. Called CS and they said my order was complete and they hung up. Called back told them to not hang up before I finished. I explained the situation and was told something about a max back order time and they filled it with a replacement magazines.
I turned it over to discover since I was charged over $400. The rep at discover said she dealt with a similar issue with them.
"Speak softly and carry a big stick" - Teddy Roosevelt
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Re: Botach Tactical...Those @#%#$#$$#$#W@
[Re: Aquaman]
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03/14/13 05:51 AM
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Put another one on the list of those I'll never do business with.
ZERO integrity on their part.
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers
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Re: Botach Tactical...Those @#%#$#$$#$#W@
[Re: tth_40]
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03/14/13 11:24 AM
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The reason they are doing this is so they can sell the product you bought at pre Sandy Hook prices at post Sandy Hook prices. Their not the only ones doing it either. Sad but unfortunately true...
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