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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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But the aussie also brought in sheep and (gasp) horses too. Imagine.
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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Ask us about the release of feral pigs, fireants, tiger shrimp and ( gulp ) water hyancith. Your point? Besides horse aren't native to the Americas. According to you we should wipe them out. whens the last time you've seen a wild horse? and you can thank cortez for feral pigs being introduced. get in your time machine and go back to the 1500's and whip his azz
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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Why? Are you not tough enough to do it yourself?
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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What imported species has had the most adversly affected the echosystem in North America? Fireants, nutra, hogs, snakes, water hyancith, asian carp, zebra mussels, african bees, cattle, sheep, horses, donkeys.....
IMO European man is the most invasive species in the North American, we are the ones that brought those plus cities, barbwire, roads, polution... glad we are here but we sure can mess things up.
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lf the saying "Liar, Liar your pants on fire" were true Mainstream news might be fun to watch
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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06/17/12 05:04 PM
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Ask us about the release of feral pigs, fireants, tiger shrimp and ( gulp ) water hyancith. Your point? Besides horse aren't native to the Americas. According to you we should wipe them out. Almost all of the feral hog problem was caused by farmers that let the hogs run loose when the bottom of the market fell out. The fire ants, etc. were "imported" by accident. 2 different "fruits", so go make yourself a "fruit" salad. Feral horses are a problem in some western states, again through the negligence of man. Same as the emu and ostrich were a few years ago, luckily they didn't reproduce as fast, and most were destroyed.
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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Why? Are you not tough enough to do it yourself? If I had a time machine I would go back to the 80's and party with motley Crüe
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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What imported species has had the most adversly affected the echosystem in North America? Fireants, nutra, hogs, snakes, water hyancith, asian carp, zebra mussels, african bees, cattle, sheep, horses, donkeys.....
IMO European man is the most invasive species in the North American, we are the ones that brought those plus cities, barbwire, roads, polution... glad we are here but we sure can mess things up.
I don't think anybody is willing to go back to caves just because you're unsure of your European heritage.
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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My only concern with any invasive species is, as someone else state, unintended consequences. Many animals tend to be very good at adapting to new environments and flourishing. This whole thing might look good on paper, but what happens when they do better than expected and start expanding unchecked? They may not eat given types of vegetation right now, but what about when their primary food source is stressed? There has been a lot of talk about other invasive animals on this thread, and it seems to me they all have one thing in common – no one initially anticipated the full effect they would have on their respective ecosystems. No one really knows how these free ranging animals would affect their habitat long term. The up side is if it really worked out like the theory, it would be a good hunting opportunity for a lot of people. I’m just not sure it’s worth the gamble.
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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But that's the beauty of these animals. They're limited to appropriate habit, have secondary ecologic function ( eating another invasive species ) and are easily removed. Here's the other thing. Unless you remove every bit of barb wire in the state, reintroduce bison, reintroduce the red wof ( hard because it's extinct ), reintroduce the grizzly and eradicate the fireant as well as the cedar, the ecosystem won't even be close to the pre-Columbian one. There's really not a lot to lose here.
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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I don't think BBQ and beer is on their agenda, especially if they are on the menu. Biocontrol of water hyancith is a huge issue, but the plant is a double edged sword. It accumulates heavy metals and toxins, but still will choke everything up. The animals could also potentially provide a biowarning system of sorts by following toxin and metal levels on necroscopic specimens. Anyway bugs have been used in the past for control of the hyancith. Why not these, especiall if they might eat the stuff? I think it's a great idea. We can import these critters to eat water hyancith, which are laden with heavy metals. Poor East Texans will hunt and eat the critters and now they too will die from the heavy metal content. I think it's a win-win. We get rid of water hyancith and East Texans all at the same time. Sign me up. I'm 100% on board now.
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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I don't think BBQ and beer is on their agenda, especially if they are on the menu. Biocontrol of water hyancith is a huge issue, but the plant is a double edged sword. It accumulates heavy metals and toxins, but still will choke everything up. The animals could also potentially provide a biowarning system of sorts by following toxin and metal levels on necroscopic specimens. Anyway bugs have been used in the past for control of the hyancith. Why not these, especiall if they might eat the stuff? I think it's a great idea. We can import these critters to eat water hyancith, which are laden with heavy metals. Poor East Texans will hunt and eat the critters and now they too will die from the heavy metal content. I think it's a win-win. We get rid of water hyancith and East Texans all at the same time. Sign me up. I'm 100% on board now. Never thought of this angle. I'll file the petition on Monday to bring these critters over here ASAP
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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Ask us about the release of feral pigs, fireants, tiger shrimp and ( gulp ) water hyancith. Your point? Besides horse aren't native to the Americas. According to you we should wipe them out. whens the last time you've seen a wild horse? and you can thank cortez for feral pigs being introduced. get in your time machine and go back to the 1500's and whip his azz I believe it was Columbus. He let them loose to hunt for food later on.
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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Honestly, I think that it would be cool to have more free range exotics, but it would be to expensive to buy them and then let them loose. Plus we don't need anymore. We have a whole lot already.
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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What you've said is called a blanket statement. It's often used by politicians and has no basis in fact. Where is your proof? How do you know this to be true. Do we really have more than enough exotics? How expensive is it to spray and control invasive species such as hydrilla and hyancith? Do you know?
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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What you've said is called a blanket statement. It's often used by politicians and has no basis in fact. Where is your proof? How do you know this to be true. Do we really have more than enough exotics? How expensive is it to spray and control invasive species such as hydrilla and hyancith? Do you know? Please don't dis the kid. It does not reflect well. Plus, his post makes a heluva lot more sense than thinking introducing a bunch of swamp exotics is going to save hunting.'I can't believe this stupid thread has gone 10 pages. All I can speculate is that everyone just wants to entertain themselves by seeing what pablum comes out of your mouth next.
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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What you've said is called a blanket statement. It's often used by politicians and has no basis in fact. Where is your proof? How do you know this to be true. Do we really have more than enough exotics? How expensive is it to spray and control invasive species such as hydrilla and hyancith? Do you know? I wouldn't know, cuz I'm a kid who has no interest in politics cuz I don't understand it nor do I know it. I understand a little but not enough The proof is that very few ranches have these animals, and their trophy fees on HF are very high. It would just be a waste of money if the antelopes would not thrive and would be killed off in the first week by East and his friends
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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All I can speculate is that everyone just wants to entertain themselves by seeing what pablum comes out of your mouth next. Sadly true, but funny just the same.
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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All I can speculate is that everyone just wants to entertain themselves by seeing what pablum comes out of your mouth next. Sadly true, but funny just the same. Even I'm doing that!
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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Are idiots multiplying faster than normal people?
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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Somebody needs to post up in mustafa's size 8 + hat size thread...all this knowledge can't fit in a regular size cap
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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Somebody needs to post up in mustafa's size 8 + hat size thread...all this knowledge can't fit in a regular size cap And you know this how?
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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Somebody needs to post up in mustafa's size 8 + hat size thread...all this knowledge can't fit in a regular size cap
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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Ask us about the release of feral pigs, fireants, tiger shrimp and ( gulp ) water hyancith. Your point? Besides horse aren't native to the Americas. According to you we should wipe them out. whens the last time you've seen a wild horse? and you can thank cortez for feral pigs being introduced. get in your time machine and go back to the 1500's and whip his azz I believe it was Columbus. He let them loose to hunt for food later on. Columbus didn't even land in the continental united states in 1492 Learn your history kid
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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Somebody needs to post up in mustafa's size 8 + hat size thread...all this knowledge can't fit in a regular size cap And you know this how?
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