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Re: Semi auto Vs Bolt Action accuracy
[Re: JThoele]
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02/12/12 01:29 PM
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Bolt actions will win out in most instances. For me the real question is, "what is acceptable accuracy for the task"? If either shoots 3/4" or less at 100yds, it's a fairly nice rifle.
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Re: Semi auto Vs Bolt Action accuracy
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02/12/12 02:02 PM
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I very aware of their capabilities.. My point was the bolt platform is the preferred platform to build on due to its accuracy. So your already at a disadvantage in your agruement. Also a custom AR is no different then a custom bolt. And most ar barrels are floated Wasn't talking custom or floated, I was just talking staight across the board of what is available to the average joe. But what the heck lifes too short to argue, you win.
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Re: Semi auto Vs Bolt Action accuracy
[Re: DSST_Construction]
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02/12/12 02:11 PM
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lol, just cause you kill alot of animals with a semi auto doesnt make it any better.
This topic is very very hard to talk about cause there are to many varibles.
In general bolt action are more accurate, i dont really see our military snipers shooting semi auto to often. DSST, Not singling you out, but there sure is an awful lot of talk about what our military sniper's are using. Seems like a lot of folks are out of date about the M110 platform. http://www.snipercentral.com/m110.phtml I'm not an all or nothing kind of guy. I really like my Benelli, but I have bolt actions and really enjoy using them as well. I was responding to a question about accuracy - my Benelli will routinely shoot 3 shots into 3/4" and sometimes much better using factory Hornady SST ammunition. It is as accurate as any bolt action sporter I own, as accurate as any I've shot. The Benelli has also proven to be extremely reliable, with ~1400 rounds fired through two rifles and not a single malfunction between them. When it comes time to shoot mulitiple shots - running pigs, etc. - the R1 comes into it's own. I am very good with a bolt, capable of quick follow-up shots, but there is just no comparison to the R1. Anyone who believes otherwise is just kidding themselves - if you try it side by side you will see. David
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Re: Semi auto Vs Bolt Action accuracy
[Re: wchamilton]
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02/12/12 02:28 PM
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Some AR's will outshoot many bolt actions. hell make that MOST bolt actions.. Difficult to refute this statement. It's just as true that some bolt actions will outshoot most AR's. It all depends on which "some" we are referencing.
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Re: Semi auto Vs Bolt Action accuracy
[Re: Canazes9]
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Lots of comments on the BARs on this thread regarding their accuracy. I have or have had 3 of them. 270,300 win mag and 338 win mag. All 3 of them were very finnicky about the ammo used. I have not seen this near as bad in the bolt actions. Is this what most people see with BARs?
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Re: Semi auto Vs Bolt Action accuracy
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02/12/12 02:31 PM
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That Benelli is one great looking rifle!! Its like that V8 Drink, I should have one
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Re: Semi auto Vs Bolt Action accuracy
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02/12/12 03:59 PM
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Maybe this was a fluke but here is an honest 200 yard bench group out of my bone stock (non-custom) RRA shooting Black Hills Blue Box 60gr V-Max. This AR will outshoot most any bolt gun I've ever owned. I'm not making the claim that all ARs will or even can shoot this good but it is easily within the realm of possibilities. Compare a quality stock AR against a quality stock bolt gun and I think the results will suprise many. .
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Re: Semi auto Vs Bolt Action accuracy
[Re: Armalite260]
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02/12/12 08:46 PM
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Donno about bolts, but my BAR 243 is very accurate... even deadly I'm looking for a 700SPS as we speak
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Re: Semi auto Vs Bolt Action accuracy
[Re: Armalite260]
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02/12/12 09:22 PM
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Re: Semi auto Vs Bolt Action accuracy
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02/12/12 09:32 PM
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I have been interested in the semi auto Benelli's, Brownings / BAR's, but have been hesitant because of mixed reviews of their accuracy. Does anyone have any photos of groups they are getting out of either? Thanks! I will asure you that you will be happy with a BAR if you can find one. The BAR 2 fixed the problem with the action stopping when loading the first round. you would always have to manualy push it shut on the old ones but i wouldnt pass up the opportunity if you found one in good condition. i would recomend it in .270 if you did get it. We got a BAR 2 .270 in mint condition for my brother at christmas and had to get it from Georgia. If you take good care of them their resale value is very good Excellent! Will have to keep an eye out for them.
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Re: Semi auto Vs Bolt Action accuracy
[Re: Canazes9]
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02/12/12 09:33 PM
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Thanks for the info David - cool pics too!
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Re: Semi auto Vs Bolt Action accuracy
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wish the R1 came in varmint calibers
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Re: Semi auto Vs Bolt Action accuracy
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02/13/12 01:49 AM
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wish the R1 came in varmint calibers They do, 30-06.... Funny, when I bought this rifle I was using a AR-15 (Bushmaster Predator) for coyote hunting. The rifle was very accurate and I shot well with it, but I never really felt the love. Twice while predator calling I've had pigs come to the call. I lit up one boar with the AR but couldn't drop him on the run. Next time I went predator calling I brought the R1. The Bushmaster never made another trip and I eventually sold it to a forum member. My line of thinking was that I didn't shoot that much, ammunition wasn't gonna break me, I shot the R1 better and the gas system soaks up the recoil so much that it really is VERY comfortable to shoot and I shot better with it! I don't keep hides so the extra damage was a plus in my book! Obviously not most folks 1st choice, but it works for me. David
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Re: Semi auto Vs Bolt Action accuracy
[Re: Canazes9]
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02/14/12 12:22 AM
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The bolt action is the most accurate platform, or the most accurate firarms in the world (Benchrest rifles) would be semis. I have never seen or heard of a semi even compete in a regestered benchrest match, at least not while I was shooting. The groups shot with these rifles in the hands of the best shooters (not me lol) are simply amazing.
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Re: Semi auto Vs Bolt Action accuracy
[Re: Armalite260]
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02/15/12 02:06 AM
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Quality barrels and quality ammo = accurate rifle. Everything else is just details.
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Re: Semi auto Vs Bolt Action accuracy
[Re: Chris42]
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02/15/12 08:40 PM
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look at what won the 10th annual international sniper competition....that pretty well sums it up. bolts will always be accurate but the ar's are now just as accuate.
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Re: Semi auto Vs Bolt Action accuracy
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02/16/12 12:33 AM
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I shoot both. By design I think bolt actions are more accurate.
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Re: Semi auto Vs Bolt Action accuracy
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02/16/12 01:51 AM
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look at what won the 10th annual international sniper competition....that pretty well sums it up. bolts will always be accurate but the ar's are now just as accuate. Time is usually a large portion of score in those events and the semi is great since follow up shots are fast.
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Re: Semi auto Vs Bolt Action accuracy
[Re: dee]
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02/16/12 01:59 AM
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Most accurate would be accuracy records
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Re: Semi auto Vs Bolt Action accuracy
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02/16/12 02:01 AM
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Bolts would be my guess....
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Re: Semi auto Vs Bolt Action accuracy
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02/16/12 02:52 AM
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I dont understand how someone continually putting pics up of the animals they have killed makes an arguement for accuracy. You can shoot animals with a shotgun and kill them.
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Re: Semi auto Vs Bolt Action accuracy
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I dont understand how someone continually putting pics up of the animals they have killed makes an arguement for accuracy. You can shoot animals with a shotgun and kill them. dam dude, that was a totally assinine statement. He never made any unbackable statements, nor bragged about anything. Some simple pics of his boys with some game shot with a rifle he likes and some boys he is proud of. WHAT THE HECK IS NOT TO LIKE?
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Re: Semi auto Vs Bolt Action accuracy
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I dont understand how someone continually putting pics up of the animals they have killed makes an arguement for accuracy. You can shoot animals with a shotgun and kill them. dam dude, that was a totally assinine statement. He never made any unbackable statements, nor bragged about anything. Some simple pics of his boys with some game shot with a rifle he likes and some boys he is proud of. WHAT THE HECK IS NOT TO LIKE? Trying to understand why there is a bunch of pictures up there of dead animals. I thought the thread was on accuracy but I guess I was wrong since I started it. Also I didnt read all that into those pictures because there was not a comment with them.
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Re: Semi auto Vs Bolt Action accuracy
[Re: nado2036]
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to close to tell depends on make and model of the gun also
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Re: Semi auto Vs Bolt Action accuracy
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I dont understand how someone continually putting pics up of the animals they have killed makes an arguement for accuracy. You can shoot animals with a shotgun and kill them. dam dude, that was a totally assinine statement. He never made any unbackable statements, nor bragged about anything. Some simple pics of his boys with some game shot with a rifle he likes and some boys he is proud of. WHAT THE HECK IS NOT TO LIKE? Trying to understand why there is a bunch of pictures up there of dead animals. I thought the thread was on accuracy but I guess I was wrong since I started it. Also I didnt read all that into those pictures because there was not a comment with them. Allow me to clarify. This is a public discussion forum. You don't own content you post or the topics you start. As often the case the discussion takes other turns as people chose to participate. I was responding to Nightlight's post: I have been interested in the semi auto Benelli's, Brownings / BAR's, but have been hesitant because of mixed reviews of their accuracy. Does anyone have any photos of groups they are getting out of either? Thanks! The very first picture in my response was a 4-shot 5/8" group shot with my Benelli. The remaining pictures, some would argue, represent accurate groupings on actual game animals. Truthfully, it was my attempt at a light hearted response indicating my rifles are accurate enough for the intended hunting purposes. I have not "continually posted pictures" - I posted them one time. As was previously mentioned, you don't own the content you post in a public forum and once posted I have little control of my posts. The fact that they have been replied to with quotes causing the pictures to appear multiple times is not my doing nor under my control. As for my lack of comments, perhaps you missed these posts: lol, just cause you kill alot of animals with a semi auto doesnt make it any better.
This topic is very very hard to talk about cause there are to many varibles.
In general bolt action are more accurate, i dont really see our military snipers shooting semi auto to often. DSST, Not singling you out, but there sure is an awful lot of talk about what our military sniper's are using. Seems like a lot of folks are out of date about the M110 platform. http://www.snipercentral.com/m110.phtml I'm not an all or nothing kind of guy. I really like my Benelli, but I have bolt actions and really enjoy using them as well. I was responding to a question about accuracy - my Benelli will routinely shoot 3 shots into 3/4" and sometimes much better using factory Hornady SST ammunition. It is as accurate as any bolt action sporter I own, as accurate as any I've shot. The Benelli has also proven to be extremely reliable, with ~1400 rounds fired through two rifles and not a single malfunction between them. When it comes time to shoot mulitiple shots - running pigs, etc. - the R1 comes into it's own. I am very good with a bolt, capable of quick follow-up shots, but there is just no comparison to the R1. Anyone who believes otherwise is just kidding themselves - if you try it side by side you will see. David wish the R1 came in varmint calibers They do, 30-06.... Funny, when I bought this rifle I was using a AR-15 (Bushmaster Predator) for coyote hunting. The rifle was very accurate and I shot well with it, but I never really felt the love. Twice while predator calling I've had pigs come to the call. I lit up one boar with the AR but couldn't drop him on the run. Next time I went predator calling I brought the R1. The Bushmaster never made another trip and I eventually sold it to a forum member. My line of thinking was that I didn't shoot that much, ammunition wasn't gonna break me, I shot the R1 better and the gas system soaks up the recoil so much that it really is VERY comfortable to shoot and I shot better with it! I don't keep hides so the extra damage was a plus in my book! Obviously not most folks 1st choice, but it works for me. David So you see I have tried to add comments and content to the original topic. I'm terribly sorry the pictures posted are a distraction and seem to be causing you distress. I will try to remember not to post photo's in any future topics that you start. Until that time, endeavor to persevere.... Regards, David
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