Bolt actions will win out in most instances. For me the real question is, "what is acceptable accuracy for the task"? If either shoots 3/4" or less at 100yds, it's a fairly nice rifle.

Wasn't talking custom or floated, I was just talking staight across the board of what is available to the average joe.
But what the heck lifes too short to argue, you win.

DSST,

Not singling you out, but there sure is an awful lot of talk about what our military sniper's are using. Seems like a lot of folks are out of date about the M110 platform.

http://www.snipercentral.com/m110.phtml


I'm not an all or nothing kind of guy. I really like my Benelli, but I have bolt actions and really enjoy using them as well. I was responding to a question about accuracy - my Benelli will routinely shoot 3 shots into 3/4" and sometimes much better using factory Hornady SST ammunition. It is as accurate as any bolt action sporter I own, as accurate as any I've shot. The Benelli has also proven to be extremely reliable, with ~1400 rounds fired through two rifles and not a single malfunction between them.

When it comes time to shoot mulitiple shots - running pigs, etc. - the R1 comes into it's own. I am very good with a bolt, capable of quick follow-up shots, but there is just no comparison to the R1. Anyone who believes otherwise is just kidding themselves - if you try it side by side you will see.



David

Difficult to refute this statement. It's just as true that some bolt actions will outshoot most AR's. It all depends on which "some" we are referencing.

Lots of comments on the BARs on this thread regarding their accuracy. I have or have had 3 of them. 270,300 win mag and 338 win mag. All 3 of them were very finnicky about the ammo used. I have not seen this near as bad in the bolt actions. Is this what most people see with BARs?

That Benelli is one great looking rifle!!

Its like that V8 Drink, I should have one

Maybe this was a fluke but here is an honest 200 yard bench group out of my bone stock (non-custom) RRA shooting Black Hills Blue Box 60gr V-Max. This AR will outshoot most any bolt gun I've ever owned. I'm not making the claim that all ARs will or even can shoot this good but it is easily within the realm of possibilities. Compare a quality stock AR against a quality stock bolt gun and I think the results will suprise many.



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Donno about bolts, but my BAR 243 is very accurate... even deadly I'm looking for a 700SPS as we speak

Bolt action all the way

Excellent! Will have to keep an eye out for them.

Thanks for the info David - cool pics too!

wish the R1 came in varmint calibers

They do, 30-06....

Funny, when I bought this rifle I was using a AR-15 (Bushmaster Predator) for coyote hunting. The rifle was very accurate and I shot well with it, but I never really felt the love. Twice while predator calling I've had pigs come to the call. I lit up one boar with the AR but couldn't drop him on the run.

Next time I went predator calling I brought the R1. The Bushmaster never made another trip and I eventually sold it to a forum member. My line of thinking was that I didn't shoot that much, ammunition wasn't gonna break me, I shot the R1 better and the gas system soaks up the recoil so much that it really is VERY comfortable to shoot and I shot better with it! I don't keep hides so the extra damage was a plus in my book!

Obviously not most folks 1st choice, but it works for me.

David

The bolt action is the most accurate platform, or the most accurate firarms in the world (Benchrest rifles) would be semis.
I have never seen or heard of a semi even compete in a regestered benchrest match, at least not while I was shooting. The groups shot with these rifles in the hands of the best shooters (not me lol) are simply amazing.

Quality barrels and quality ammo = accurate rifle. Everything else is just details.

look at what won the 10th annual international sniper competition....that pretty well sums it up. bolts will always be accurate but the ar's are now just as accuate.

I shoot both. By design I think bolt actions are more accurate.

Time is usually a large portion of score in those events and the semi is great since follow up shots are fast.

Most accurate would be accuracy records

Bolts would be my guess....

I dont understand how someone continually putting pics up of the animals they have killed makes an arguement for accuracy. You can shoot animals with a shotgun and kill them.

dam dude, that was a totally assinine statement. He never made any unbackable statements, nor bragged about anything.
Some simple pics of his boys with some game shot with a rifle he likes and some boys he is proud of.
WHAT THE HECK IS NOT TO LIKE?

Trying to understand why there is a bunch of pictures up there of dead animals. I thought the thread was on accuracy but I guess I was wrong since I started it. Also I didnt read all that into those pictures because there was not a comment with them.

to close to tell depends on make and model of the gun also

Allow me to clarify.

This is a public discussion forum. You don't own content you post or the topics you start. As often the case the discussion takes other turns as people chose to participate.

I was responding to Nightlight's post:



The very first picture in my response was a 4-shot 5/8" group shot with my Benelli. The remaining pictures, some would argue, represent accurate groupings on actual game animals. Truthfully, it was my attempt at a light hearted response indicating my rifles are accurate enough for the intended hunting purposes.

I have not "continually posted pictures" - I posted them one time. As was previously mentioned, you don't own the content you post in a public forum and once posted I have little control of my posts. The fact that they have been replied to with quotes causing the pictures to appear multiple times is not my doing nor under my control.

As for my lack of comments, perhaps you missed these posts:





So you see I have tried to add comments and content to the original topic. I'm terribly sorry the pictures posted are a distraction and seem to be causing you distress. I will try to remember not to post photo's in any future topics that you start. Until that time, endeavor to persevere....


Regards,

David