federal has a 110 gr and a 165 gr with the barnes triple shock. i have been using the 165 gr but wonder the difference with the 110 gr. i am using a 30-06 and most targets (hogs and deer) are less than 100 yards. an information would be great. i know if it is not broke then don't fix it but just curious.

The lighter bullet would have much higher velocity. Perhaps quicker kills on average, but dead is dead. YOu didn't ask, but IMO for a 308 used for deer, especially at ranges of 100yards or less, you would be just as well served by a conventional bullet of 150 or 165grains, and would have more $$$ in your wallet.

The TSX is a great bullet and can do some things that a conventional cup and core bullet cannot (e.g. withstand very hig velocities and provide exceptional penetration). Neither of these are necessary for deer with a 308. JMO

What JJH said

110gr in 30/06 would be my choice high velocity is a good thing with TSX

might sound like a newbie question. if the bullet is traveling faster, can the bullet be traveling too fast for the triple shock tip to open up when it hits at a short shooting range? i would think it would be OK on a big thick skinned boar but what about a softer skinned deer.

From my experience with tsx velocity is your friend. The faster the better.

matt

The lighter bullet will expand quicker than the heavier one. therefore you will get more damage to the meat with the 110 gr. bullet.

so would you want a heavier grain bullet like 165 gr or 180 gr to reduce meat loss or for bigger game? i also read that the 110 gr has less recoil but we got the recoil under control using the 165 grain with a recoil pad on the gun.

not really sold on buying the 110 grain yet but the 165 gr did make a large DRT wounds on two 100 lb pigs that we have shot in the last couple of weeks. maybe i should be looking at the 180 grain for less meat loss but don't want to get back into the recoil issue. right now, pigs are plentiful so i might try the 110 gr.

Don't want to run heavy TSX at low velocity, it will likely punch a hole and never expand. Velocity is your friend with TSX as noted above.

I'm not a fan of heavy for caliber bullets, from what I've seen, they don't expand enough on deer sized game and they don't seem have as many DRT kills than using a lighter bullet.

If your worried about meat loss, shoot whatever your trying to kill in the head or neck

alot depends on the construction of the bullet, I shot several hogs with 220 grain round nose soft point hornady interlocks out of my 300 wby and they all blew up and didnt exit, there were some nasty nasty wounds and extreem internal damage and they were all DRT.

The tsx's should not over expand, that is what they are made for is hi velocity.

can you go to slow yes...to fast no. My 257 wby kicks 80 gr ttsx at over 3850fts and the performance is second to none....if you shot big and slow bullets shoot cup and core...shoot fast and very very fast shot barnes....barnes excells in the 22-250 and 220 swift b/c of the velocity

Don't know about the factory loads, but we hand load the 130gr .for my 270. Had no problems

I have taken hogs with my Elk load 300 Wby. 180 tsx, to core locks in .223 to 30-06, bullet placement is MORE important than the bullet, hunting out to 150yds.My best Llano deer load was my old 700,30-06 125gr SPs. They would group under 3/4 inch, no recoil!

Rem Managed Recoil 30-06 125gr bullet...

thanks for the great information. i was just curious and figured i would ask. what factors (animal hunting, how far of a shot, weather conditions, bush and trees, etc...) would make someone go to the store and buy a certain size grain bullet. examples: the federal barnes triple shock comes in 110, 165 and 180 grain. this is part i don't understand. is it a ford vs. chevy thing?

The heavier the bullet, the more energy retained further down range.

Velocity is squared in the energy equation. Coefficient of the bullet plays a big part to. Every caliber has a sweet spot where you get the most of the out of weight and velocity. To heavy loss speed to quick, to light coefficient stinks.

to me it's about finding the right bullet that takes advantage of energy and speed at certain yardage.

Under 450yards barnes over 450 berger or high bc cup and core.

To much energy cup/core separate...to little energy barnes doesn't open