I keep a lease in Red River co cuz the guys on it are great to hang with, the price is right (like under 500) and I can store all my feeders, stands and stuff. The hunting is not great but we do get some very nice deer on cam every year, in fact we have a contest every year to see who can get the best buck (on cam).

....hopefully they will take you up on that offer.

Total powderpuff old son. You're laughable if you weren't so disappointing in the backbone department. I've never insulted anyone here. Yet you find your guts in a keyboard. Typical. But back to the politics. The same thing was said about the assault weapon bill during the Clinton administration and the final bill was far worse than what was initially proposed. It would be very foolish to think this bill is not dangerous.

The people of this State need to act or a privledged few will very soon own all the large native game. I have spent a great deal of money to pay for the privledge to hunt on private land and more than once had long term investments ruined by new high fences. Not to mention the baiting to trap State of Texas Game Animals into these high fence properties from adjoining land. These State of Texas Game Animals should be able to free range. High fences should be regulated not hunting.

In fact, the VAST MAJORITY are large family-owned ranches that simply use the fence as a management tool to better manage native game and/or exotics on their land.

native game should not be managed and when you do they become livestock, no such thing as a trophy nowdays . A true free roaming buck that has not been manipulated is truely a trophy to be proud of, if it comes off a fence its no better than a goat

Every time you pull the trigger you make a management decision, what you call it is up to you.

yes I managed to pull the trigger, hehehe but serious its one thing to let a small one walk, its another thing to cage deer and and feed the crap out of them.

yes I managed to pull the trigger, hehehe but serious its one thing to let a small one walk, its another thing to cage deer and and feed the crap out of them.

So I guess deer LF do not eat what hunters provide or plant for them?

Check out the definition of "Trophy" at Boone and Crockett/Pope and Young.

Yep, born and raised in a feeder pen, alfalfa field, or a soybean field it does make a difference and has had 10,000 trail cam pics of him to pattern him for 6 yrs till he is old enough and all LF where he can escape.

And controlling the animals means you are NOT HUNTING. Hunters don't control animals-they match wits with animals who are free to go where they wish. They can attempt to influence their travels with scent,food,etc. But this is not controlling them. A buck can choose not to travel a certain path or avoid a food source.When he is behind a GAME PROOF FENCE he is under your control,not his own choice.

It is really as simple as that.

First of all, it is not that simple.....you make it sound as if we have a mind control device in all high fenced deer. Trust me, you cannot MAKE a mature whitetail buck do ANYTHING.....high fence or low fence.

Second of all.....your quote "And controlling the animals means you are NOT HUNTING.".....this is YOUR OPINION (which you are most certainly entitled to).....but it is not necessarily what hunting "IS". Just because you have an opinion, you believe everyone who doesn't follow your train of thought and hunt like you hunt is "not a real hunter". Give me a break man....just live and let live. I'm tired to listening to this condescending bullsh*t!!

NO ONE is making you hunt in a fence.....so DON'T!! I could not possibly care less about what "Nogalus Prairie" does either way.

It's all too hard to under stand when you refuse to understand.

I think I have not let personal opinion influence most of my posts here, but here is why people who don't agree with high fence do so. And correct me if I am wrong.

In a HF the owner controls the hunting pressure and determines the range that an animal is able to range.
So you can not manipulate the habitat or bedding areas to your advantage LF? Look in the midwest were there is very little bedding cover in some areas for deer to live and hide amongst 1,000's of acres of farm land. The Milk River is another that comes to mind when saying fair chase is tougher. Watch the hunting shows from there to see just how the hunts are "tougher".
Therefore they can feed non native food so that the deer has every opportunity to grow as large as possible and very little chance of that deer (investment) getting away.
Define non native food? Pellets are non-native food but they do not know what fence they are placed behind nor does the deer that eats them where ever he is standing. Farmed crops are not native food and planted for ag purposes along with food plots for game. So does this make those deer killed in the midwest less of a trophy since he lives his entire life in farm country on a non-native diet?
They can cull out bad genetics and manipulate which animals are allowed to breed so that there are superior antler genetics.
I guess they do not practice management LF?
And lastly they can make it easier to locate these animals because they provide the best food for the animal, far superior to native flora and fauna.
I guess food plots and trail cameras do not make the those deer any less credible since they were taken LF but they were patterned the same as the HF deer on non-native forage.
See it's that advantage and manipulation that people think make this a lesser hunt. Now can you do this on a LF ranch? Sure as long as it's large enough.
Size of the ranch hunted LF does not make it anymore difficult to achieve what you are saying with todays toys that available to hunter as the location would be more critical.
But the reason people on here are tired of you guys trying to say it's the same is because you parade these huge deer like it was in incredible hunt.

I agree it's incredible but it’s incredible that you got a deer to get that big, not that you hunted that deer. Because you have watched that deer grow and gave it a chance to get big, then took it when you wanted to.
A man who does the samething you stated above that kills the LF makes it more credible?
Is that too hard to understand?
Not hard to understand but what is hard for some to grasp is that it is the same practices that are done one way that are interpreted a different way when it comes to a fence height.

Exactly!!!!! And that's why some of you LF guys are so frustrating. At least three different HF outfitters have offered to let you see their operations for free and no one has even tried to see the other side. You refuse to consider the information and question the truthfulness of the source because it challenges your prejudice against high-fence.

im prjudice of HF becase I have hunted them , it is what it is, nothing more than livestock

People develop a sense of moral-superiority because they believe the deer can hide better if the fence is shorter. The facts that deer rarely roam far from the LF feeder or that they can just as easily disappear on most HF places are irrelevant.