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Re: GIANT Whitetail...... [Re: don k] #2046336 01/22/11 01:55 PM
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might have a lot of inches, but that deer isn't attractive to me at all. some of the guys I know in the deer business are moving away from that non typical type deer.

I know of a place that is making a well defined effort to raise breeders that only have 1% of their total gross score in abnormal points.

now those are some nice looking breeders.


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That thing at the top looks like the monstrous by-product of a failed science experiment. Hopefully they will not escape and spread like feral pigs and Axis deer.




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Originally Posted By: don k
I don't know anything about deer raised like that, but I was wondering how long do they live? Do their antlers get larger every year? What would happen if you suddenly turned him out with no supplemental feeding? Could he top a doe with a heavy head like that or is all A. I.?

There length of life going to be determined on how much extra "stuff" was added into their feed that their kidneys cannot handle. Most of them get larger antlers from the 1st year to the 2nd year but not to much after that and some will get bigger every year by a little bit. If he was turned out into native pasture he would revert back to looking like a native deer with a funky set of nontypical antlers, but considerably smaller in antlers. Most bucks like that are used as A.I. sires and a few for breeding. Almost everyone is going to cut the antlers off so that the buck can move more freely. A deer like that this is tranquilized can not hold his head for many hours after he is reversed from the drugs due to the sheer mass and weight of the rack, so that is why the saw the antlers off most of the time when drawing semen. The skeletal structure and muscle mass in a bucks neck was not designed to hold up that much weight. Those 2 factors will also limit his length of life and how big his rack gets also.



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Thanks ranchman. Is there that big a market for deer like that?


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The whole thing is sad really. I remember when a 200" deer was a monster. Now we hear about 350"-500" deer and its like "No big Deal"! You look at that deer and he looks deformed in his face on his right side like that dude on The Goonies. I'm all for feeding your deer to help the over all health of the herd but.....thats taking the whole thing way too far. I hope for the day when the deer breeding business ends up like the bucking bull business or the ostrich/emu business.



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I have a friend who used to be in the whitetail breeding business and he knew of other breeders who would take razor blades and knick the velvet antlers during the early stages of antler growth while they had the deer tranquilized for vaccinations.

He also told me of some breeders who would run their deer out of the loading shoots and have strands of barb wire hanging down to knick the deers antlers. With that said, have I witnessed this on properties of whitetail breeders? No. But my buddy has no reason to lie to me about it. His deer never had those grotesque looking bulbs all over the antlers. If it was scorable, it came to a point and looked alot more natural then what some of these freak deer do. I still think the most beautiful deer to ever walk is the Milo Hansen Buck.



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Re: GIANT Whitetail...... [Re: 338ultra] #2046695 01/22/11 05:03 PM
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Some interesting reading here. I agree with the Hanson buck comment.



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Re: GIANT Whitetail...... [Re: don k] #2046803 01/22/11 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted By: don k
Thanks ranchman. Is there that big a market for deer like that?

To me there is no market for that type of deer but to someone only it in for the money then there is your answer, money is the driving force. If it is good for the deer then I am for it. This in my mind is not good for the deer only the person who is profiting from it.



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Originally Posted By: DSP56
The whole thing is sad really. I remember when a 200" deer was a monster. Now we hear about 350"-500" deer and its like "No big Deal"! You look at that deer and he looks deformed in his face on his right side like that dude on The Goonies. I'm all for feeding your deer to help the over all health of the herd but.....thats taking the whole thing way too far. I hope for the day when the deer breeding business ends up like the bucking bull business or the ostrich/emu business.

I can remember in the late 80's or maybe early 90's where the largest deer killed in the state that was reported was in the upper 160's! To a few it is all about the money and not about the deer. Sad like you say, really sad.



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Re: GIANT Whitetail...... [Re: stxranchman] #2046913 01/22/11 06:51 PM
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a 160 still IS a big deer....

there are bigger deer out there, but put your hands on a 160 or 170, and it's still impressive.

I'm all for selective management, and some forms of breeding, but when you get so far out of the realm of what a whitetail was ever meant, it just doesn't make sense.


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Fugly buck. As far as deer porn, to each his own but not for me.

That's a cull buck if I ever saw one.



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Originally Posted By: kyle1974
a 160 still IS a big deer....

there are bigger deer out there, but put your hands on a 160 or 170, and it's still impressive.

I'm all for selective management, and some forms of breeding, but when you get so far out of the realm of what a whitetail was ever meant, it just doesn't make sense.

To me it depends on what part of the stand I am standing in when I call a deer a trophy. I still think a 150 class deer it a great deer. But if I am standing the middle of the Hill Country north of SA then it might be a 140 is a trophy also. I am with you in that I am all for what the TPW deems legal to do on your piece of property you hunt on. But it comes to man tinkering with a deer to manufacture a bigger buck for money then I am not for it. The only one that can make sense of it is the guy putting the coins in his pocket and that is what matters to him. It is not about the well being of the animal at that point.



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Re: GIANT Whitetail...... [Re: Eland Slayer] #2047259 01/22/11 09:31 PM
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uHHH, Mother Nature didn't do that.


Nor did she do this..


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"If age structure is deemed to be valuable to management,...What percentage change in age structure or condition does TPWD recognize that it needs to detect in order to trigger a regulatory change?

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Just out of curiousity. How much is a deer like that worth?

I think it is ugly as all getout but I wouldn't mind owning him lol


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I will just keep on chasing native low fence farm country bucks.



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Those deer don't even look good to me. That's far beyond ridiculous.


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What is this Oxy Rack stuff? This thread is the first time I have heard of it. Does it improve antler growth? Does it harm the deer physically? How is it fed or is it only for pen raised deer?



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What is this Oxy Rack stuff? This thread is the first time I have heard of it. Does it improve antler growth? Does it harm the deer physically? How is it fed or is it only for pen raised deer?

Google and check into it. It claims the be the best thing since sliced bread. It is a gimmick just like Buck Crack. Makes great claims what it CAN do for you and no way for you disprove them once you bought it and tried it. The only thing I can guarantee you it will do is make the guy selling it much richer. Don't waste your time with. You can not feed genetics out of a bag nor is it on any feed label. Either a deer has it or he does not have the genetics to grow great antlers. Won't harm deer. Can be fed to any deer you can afford to feed it to and it is very expensive.


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Pretty much bleh...

Not my taste in deer...


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Just goes to show that some people will pay anything for a trophy. I think it's ridiculous, but to each his own.


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Those deer don't even look good to me. That's far beyond ridiculous.



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Re: GIANT Whitetail...... [Re: don k] #2048735 01/23/11 02:42 PM
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there should be a new typical breeder-buck record here pretty soon too...


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I don't know anything about deer raised like that, but I was wondering how long do they live? Do their antlers get larger every year? What would happen if you suddenly turned him out with no supplemental feeding? Could he top a doe with a heavy head like that or is all A. I.?

There length of life going to be determined on how much extra "stuff" was added into their feed that their kidneys cannot handle. Most of them get larger antlers from the 1st year to the 2nd year but not to much after that and some will get bigger every year by a little bit. If he was turned out into native pasture he would revert back to looking like a native deer with a funky set of nontypical antlers, but considerably smaller in antlers. Most bucks like that are used as A.I. sires and a few for breeding. Almost everyone is going to cut the antlers off so that the buck can move more freely. A deer like that this is tranquilized can not hold his head for many hours after he is reversed from the drugs due to the sheer mass and weight of the rack, so that is why the saw the antlers off most of the time when drawing semen. The skeletal structure and muscle mass in a bucks neck was not designed to hold up that much weight. Those 2 factors will also limit his length of life and how big his rack gets also.


I wonder how many pounds that rack weighs?


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Originally Posted By: don k
I don't know anything about deer raised like that, but I was wondering how long do they live? Do their antlers get larger every year? What would happen if you suddenly turned him out with no supplemental feeding? Could he top a doe with a heavy head like that or is all A. I.?

There length of life going to be determined on how much extra "stuff" was added into their feed that their kidneys cannot handle. Most of them get larger antlers from the 1st year to the 2nd year but not to much after that and some will get bigger every year by a little bit. If he was turned out into native pasture he would revert back to looking like a native deer with a funky set of nontypical antlers, but considerably smaller in antlers. Most bucks like that are used as A.I. sires and a few for breeding. Almost everyone is going to cut the antlers off so that the buck can move more freely. A deer like that this is tranquilized can not hold his head for many hours after he is reversed from the drugs due to the sheer mass and weight of the rack, so that is why the saw the antlers off most of the time when drawing semen. The skeletal structure and muscle mass in a bucks neck was not designed to hold up that much weight. Those 2 factors will also limit his length of life and how big his rack gets also.


I wonder how many pounds that rack weighs?

Not sure if any one could answer that since it is its heaviest in the velvet growing stages when it is full of blood also. I do not think someone is going to cut it off and weigh it at that stage. The sheds could be weighed but still no idea what they would weigh. I have seen sheds that weighed close to 6 or 7 lbs per side from deer.



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not that I think this deer isn't ridiculous....

but for the "don't mess with mother nature" comments, I guess I'll just have to remember who you are, when some of you start talking about "cull bucks"....


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