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GIANT Whitetail...... #2045575 01/22/11 02:13 AM
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First of all, I don't want this to turn into an argument regarding pen raised deer vs. wild deer. We all know pen raised deer get bigger than any wild deer can get. However, I still think it is interesting to see just what mother nature can do given the absolute PERFECT conditions (nutrition, genetics, etc....)

This is, as far as I know, the largest whitetail alive. It's hard to stomach this number, but this buck (named "Free Agent") scores roughly 522" @ age 2. I know.....ridiculous. I put deer breeding in the same category as porn.....it's fun to look at, but if you start trying to apply it to real-life you'll probably just be disappointed. It's just not realistic in real life.

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how would you even score those that has to be a pain to score with all the mass it is pretty amazing what you can do with genetics and lots of supplement


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those deer look hideous. i would't take one and turn it loose on my ranch if i was given it for free.

check out texaswhitetailbreeders.com or jerry johnsons stock if you wanna see some pretty bucks



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Only thing is this not mother nature in perfect conditions and I would call BS on genetics. I would be willing to bet this buck is a man made deer in that he was manipulated and altered. They probably sawed his antlers as a yearling to stimiulate blood flow and have fed him feed additives to stimiulate the extra growth. Not to say he had some great genetics and that he is not a great deer but there is more to this that what you see. I am not opposed to pen breeding of deer but when man starts to feed things to a deer that are not natural and to manipulate his antlers to stimulate growth to gain financially then I have a problem.



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Originally Posted By: txtrophy85
those deer look hideous. i would't take one and turn it loose on my ranch if i was given it for free.

check out texaswhitetailbreeders.com or jerry johnsons stock if you wanna see some pretty bucks


Agreed.....I never said he was pretty.....just friggin BIG!! lol

Although, if it was free.....I'd probably let him run around and breed his butt off on my ranch.



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Originally Posted By: stxranchman
Only thing is this not mother nature in perfect conditions and I would call BS on genetics. I would be willing to bet this buck is a man made deer in that he was manipulated and altered. They probably sawed his antlers as a yearling to stimiulate blood flow and have fed him feed additives to stimiulate the extra growth. Not to say he had some great genetics and that he is not a great deer but there is more to this that what you see. I am not opposed to pen breeding of deer but when man starts to feed things to a deer that are not natural and to manipulate his antlers to stimulate growth to gain financially then I have a problem.


Do you have any proof of this going on in the deer industry? Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me, but I would like to see it investigated before someone (or someone's deer) is condemned publicly.



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Only thing is this not mother nature in perfect conditions and I would call BS on genetics. I would be willing to bet this buck is a man made deer in that he was manipulated and altered. They probably sawed his antlers as a yearling to stimiulate blood flow and have fed him feed additives to stimiulate the extra growth. Not to say he had some great genetics and that he is not a great deer but there is more to this that what you see. I am not opposed to pen breeding of deer but when man starts to feed things to a deer that are not natural and to manipulate his antlers to stimulate growth to gain financially then I have a problem.


Do you have any proof of this going on in the deer industry?

Just start looking at some of the deer in the ads of some of the breeders out there and pay close attention the big non-typical bucks (especially the younger ones) and really study them hard. The lights will come on after a while.



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Oh Yeah!

Just wait till next year when I start selling my genetically altered Mallards. I cross bred some Drakes with Ostriches.

They barely fly and they look like a B25 Mitchell bomber when flying over. It takes a 10 gauge with #OO Buck to bring them down.

And when they hit the ground, you got another pit blind to stand in.

I will post pics later. LOL!



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That deer is fugly.



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Originally Posted By: stxranchman
. I am not opposed to pen breeding of deer but when man starts to feed things to a deer that are not natural and to manipulate his antlers to stimulate growth to gain financially then I have a problem.


hey you ever hear of Oxy-Pop?



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No but Oxy-rack I have heard of.



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Originally Posted By: stxranchman
Only thing is this not mother nature in perfect conditions and I would call BS on genetics. I would be willing to bet this buck is a man made deer in that he was manipulated and altered. They probably sawed his antlers as a yearling to stimiulate blood flow and have fed him feed additives to stimiulate the extra growth. Not to say he had some great genetics and that he is not a great deer but there is more to this that what you see. I am not opposed to pen breeding of deer but when man starts to feed things to a deer that are not natural and to manipulate his antlers to stimulate growth to gain financially then I have a problem.
Very well said!



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probably the same thing.


oxy pop, feed it to them as yearlings, they will throw all kinds of crazy kickers and sticker points.



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Originally Posted By: txtrophy85
probably the same thing.


oxy pop, feed it to them as yearlings, they will throw all kinds of crazy kickers and sticker points.

I am betting they are doing more than feed this to the yearling to get them to grow those extra points. Look closely at the pictures of those yearling and then other ones on another ranch that are normal yearling and you will see the difference I would bet.



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Originally Posted By: Gumbeaux
That deer is fugly.
X2 Bleeecchhh!



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no i'm not referring to those partucular deer, but penned deer in general.

here is my cup of tea when it comes to breeder deer:





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Nah, thin horned, short G2s and all air space(spread) and no real estate(mass). peep



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it is a damn shame


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Originally Posted By: stxranchman
Nah, thin horned, short G2s and all air space(spread) and no real estate(mass). peep


now that you mention it, his G-2's are a little weak



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Nah, thin horned, short G2s and all air space(spread) and no real estate(mass). peep
roflmao at least he does not look like some Borg experiment on Star Trek!



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Oh Yeah!

Just wait till next year when I start selling my genetically altered Mallards. I cross bred some Drakes with Ostriches.


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Nah, thin horned, short G2s and all air space(spread) and no real estate(mass). peep
roflmao at least he does not look like some Borg experiment on Star Trek!

Yeah I know and he is a Texas born deer so I should not talk to bad about him. He did the best they could do for him. peep



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Looks like a million BUCKS to me!!



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Wonder how he holds his head up???



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I don't know anything about deer raised like that, but I was wondering how long do they live? Do their antlers get larger every year? What would happen if you suddenly turned him out with no supplemental feeding? Could he top a doe with a heavy head like that or is all A. I.?


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