KG68, I'll apologize also for going off track, but i think gun safety is a real important thing and most especially where kids are involved. We each have to do what we think is right for our own situations, that's for sure. You're the only one that can say what's right for you. But please do those grandkids a favor and teach them about guns and gun safety and that they sure aren't toys to be played with. And that neither are guns bad or evil, but that they sure can cause terrible damage or death if not respected. You never know when they're liable to be over playing with a friend at someone else's house who is not so diligent as you. If they have been taught the seriousness and capability of a real gun to do devastating damage, or kill someone permanently dead, they will be a lot more likely to get the heck out of there before something bad can happen to them in the event their little friend wants to show them some really cool pistol he's found in Mom's dresser drawer or wherever.

There's every chance that you may be the only one who would teach them this stuff and considering all that goes on with the video games kids play nowdays, and what they see on TV, they need someone to teach them the true and responsible reality about guns and not just the fantasy stuff they learn playing those darn video games. FWIW, if i were in your situation, my guns would also be locked up in a safe. Only difference is I would have one or two pistols secured but handy in some quick unlocking pistol boxes where they'd be kept except when I was carrying one on me. These would definitely be loaded and rounds chambered.

I had my Remington 700 discharge on me when I flicked the safety off. My next move was going to be to unload the rifle because my ride was there and picking me up from the stand. Not only did I have the rifle pointed in a safe direction, but I also had a witness. No one would have believed me if I did not have a witness, so I'm glad I did. I already practiced good gun safety before the incident, having it forced on me by my father (hey whatever it takes, too true) and now I can sometimes be a preacher, but hey whatever it takes to stay safe around firearms. The gunsmith at Carter's Country checked the rifle and said it could have never happened, but it did. I sent the rifle to Remington, and without admitting fault, they sent me a brand new one. Stay safe guys.

I'm with the posters that believe that accidental discharges are few and far between and are the result of malfunctioning firearm in need of repair. The incident in the opening post was a negligent discharge!

I treated an ND on a live range one time when I was a Corpsman. The marines were doing squad rushes, and one of them shot himself in the leg. lol

The Remington 700s are notorious for accidental discharges! At least one dearh caused by it the grown son of the woman with the REm 700. When she closed the rifle it fired the boy was a few yds away was hit in the head with a 30-06 slug.

I was up In Alaska back in 2003 with three friends hunting Moose. My firend had a brand new Rem 700, 338 Win Mag. He was warching a well worn Moose trail between one drainage to another where both had small lakes. Just after daylight Arky was standing against a tree in the shade watching the trail. A large bull came out of the far drainage and was walking accross to where Arky was standing. When the bull got to a spot that was no more than 30 yds from him, he slid the safety forward with the barrle pointed up, and off she went. Needless to say he didn't get another shot at that bull. The question I asked him was was your trigger finger inside the guard? NO! I never put my finger on the trigger till my sights are lined up on my target. In the next three days the rifle did it again. He sent the rifle back to Remington, and they sent him a brand new different rifle in the factory box through the dealer who sold him the first one. After that we heard of several of them doing the same thing. It seems they would fire when pushing the safety to fire position, and many times when the bolt was closed on a live round. I never heard of this happening before 2003, but I have heard of several law suits about them since! I've never heard of it with a Mod 70 Win, or any mauser actioned rifle.

I have a Mod 700ADL Rem 7mm mag, that was bought by my dad back in the l963, and I have never had a problem with ADs but to be safe I replaced the trigger with a Timney with a safety. I rarely use this rifle anyway, but just to be safe I did the trigger change. I also have a mint 788 , 223 rfle and have had it for many years, with no problems at all. However if I were going to buy a new Remington rifle it would be the new Mod798. It is made on an FN mauser clone action that is CRF, but I would never buy another mod 700!

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anyone that has ever learned anything about the proper and responsible handling of weapons knows that you do not chamber a round inside the house and neither do you have a round chambered crossing a fence or climbing a stand. There are more, and those are only a couple. I would never hunt around this guy. I was a stupid kid once of about 16 and did every single thing wrong that my Dad and others had taught me not to do and shot myself in the left calf with a .38 revolver. There is not one single thing that can happen to you accidentally with a gun that we have all not been warned about and/or taught not to do. A grown man chambering a round inside the house is inexcusable and a person that would either not be on my lease next year or I would be on his. I'm glad no one got hurt.

I will on this one that i feel that a loaded pistol in a household is far different from a hunter coming in and out and in and out and loading and unloading his rifle. A home-protection pistol is just that. It sits in one spot and no one fools with it. Deer hunting is quite a bit different if you're the kind of person that chambers his gun inside the house. It begs for trouble.

I've seen 2 AD's and 1 NG.

The 2 AD's both involved Remington 700's. The first one went off when he was in the blind and had the barrel out the window. The second went off as he was unloading his rifle back at the truck, that one took out the torque converter and the right front tire. The NG was a Springfield that a gentleman brought into the gun shop loaded. When he held it barrel up and set it on the table it put a hole in the roof, a fine trigger job on that one. Both of the Rem's were sent back and repaired at the factory, this was just before the recall.

That makes no sense. Both operate exactly the same way. Your statement is illogical, at best. How can you rationalize a loaded pistol okay, but a loaded rifle not okay? I say they are both okay if you are in your own house, or own cabin. Just takes someone with sense, I realize many people don't have any, but still doesn't change the FACT that neither is more likely than the other to go off.

one of our camp rules is No loaded guns in camp it stops this misfortunate accidents

I have had two Remingtons go off. One was my wife's Model Seven. All she did was to take the safety off and it fired! She swore up and down she didn't have her finger on the trigger.

I told her she must have had her finger on the trigger without realizing it. Then, it happened to me with my Model 700. I had just shot a deer, when I climbed down from my blind, I pulled the bolt back to eject the spent round and when I pushed the bolt forward, it fired. My fingers were no where near the trigger.

Also, knew one guy that shot a deer with his Remington while his gun was still on safe.

Did a little research after that and found this. Please read.

http://hunting.about.com/od/guns/a/aacbsnewsrem700.htm

I have to disagree. The shooter did something wrong when he chambered the bullet in the house around other hunters. He would have been gone from my camp as soon as it happened! JMO!

Like I said if that is the camp rules fine, I would have no problem adhering to that rule. But in my house I chamber a round all the time.

Also like I said before do you have a loaded pistol in your home? If so than why is that okay?

I have a pistol with a full clip in it, but not one in the chamber. It is also locked up in my gun safe. I have no reason to have a loaded rifle in my house because there will hopefully be nothing in my house that i will need to use a rifle on. And for that matter hopefully nothing i will have to use my pistol on either. This was the way my father taught me to keep my weapons in the house. I am not here to tell you or any other person how to secure your weapons in your house. This is just the way I do it, and the way my kids will learn to do it.

Well I have a loaded pistol with me almost all the time, so I just see no difference in a rifle being loaded. Other than the issues with the remingtons it is very rare for a rifle or a pistol to go off by itself. If someone wants to load their gun in my house as long as I trust them and the muzzle is pointed in a safe direction I have no issues with it.

If someone on your lease ignores basic firearms saftey. Get rid of him. I won't hunt with unsafe people!! I still carry 70 lead bb's in my body as a reminder!!!!

Great points, still contend the failure of the firearm is VERY VERY RARE... even with trigger mods, if it fires without pulling the trigger, it's still a human error.

If a bolt action fires when you close the bolt, it is probably because someone "tried" to do a trigger job and lighten the trigger pull. Too many people think they know what they are doing and don't. That is what gunsmiths are for!!

If it is an older Remington there was a recall on them years back for the same reason. we had a guy on our lease with one, took the safty off to shoot a deer andit went off. This is a known problem for years.

the only reason im responding and quoting you is the fact that you called bs on him pulling trigger....i dont agree with loading a gun until im in the stand or where i hunt, but it could have been exactly that, i had a rifle that i bought a couple of years ago at a gunshow... had lots of lint by the trigger and guard.. well when i got it hope i racked the bolt.. without a shell and took the safty off and heard click... did this a couple of times cause it just kinda gave the shivers thinking what would have happen if i had a shell in it... turns out the trigger was full of gunk and lint and all kinds of crap that wouldnt let it go fully foward so it kinda just rested on the safty until you put it to fire and then it fired itself...but glad no one was hurt.. and yes i used to hunt with a fool like the one your talking about... just pisses you off doesnt it..

I have a Rem. 700 ADL 30-06 (10 years old) and my gun went off opening day when I took the safety off. Knocked me back about 2 feet. I take he safety off with my thumb and trigger finger so it does not make any noise so my finger was not close to the trigger. Had a nice buck in my sites when it happened. Scared the crap out of me. Caught alot of grief back at camp. I could not get it to do it again. Has the factory trigger pull. I did not know that this has happened to so many Rem.700's.

That is no doubt if he can't follow thwe camp rules and gun saftey he would be on the first bus out of there

One of the nice things about the encore... kind of hard for it to go off when loading now de-cocking it is another story.

Every where I hunt.. When Inside the bolt must be out of your rifle or open.... No rounds in mag either

Absolutely, Positively, Never has been, or Never will be any such thing as an accidental discharge. Negligent Discharge is the only option. Either you are negligent in your handling, in the functioning of your weapon, or of the safety rules.

Loading a gun in the house can be as safe or dangerous this applys to loading it in the stand just the same.

Until each person can accept this as his own and full responsibility accident will continue to happen.

Accidental discharge puts the blame on something else, rather than where it belongs.........YOU

so all those rem 700 that were messin up and firing when the bolt was closed... yep total disregard for hunting safety.