Stocks took a nice "Hit" too.

https://www.marijuanamoment.net/dea...-directed-health-agencys-recommendation/

The Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) has made a historic decision—agreeing with the top federal health agency and moving marijuana from Schedule I to Schedule III under the Controlled Substances Act (CSA).

The decision comes more than 50 years after cannabis was first listed as a strictly prohibited drug, on par with heroin and defined as a substance with no known medical value and a significant abuse potential.

Moving marijuana to Schedule III, as recommended by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), also carries major implications for state-legal cannabis businesses. When it’s implemented, it will mean that marijuana firms can officially take federal tax deductions that they’ve been barred from under an Internal Revenue Service (IRS) code known as 280E.

The proposed rescheduling determination, first reported by the Associated Press, will also free up research barriers that are currently imposed on scientists who wish to study Schedule I substances.

The next step in the rescheduling process is for the White House Office of Management and Budget (OMB), to review the rule. If approved, it would go to public comment before potentially being finalized.

Sure is nice to have a government that tells us what we can and can’t do. Takes the burden away of deciding for ourselves.

Democrats and weed go hand in hand.

DEA Agrees To Reschedule Marijuana Under Federal Law In Historic Move Following Biden-Directed Health Agency’s Recommendation

I guess you haven't been to Oklahoma? Not exactly a bastion for democrats. Plenty of republicans smoke too.

The republicans went from being a party of less taxation and overall less government intervention to one that forces social issues and turns religious beliefs into laws. There is a reason Texas will go blue eventually and not just because of all the people coming from California.

to me that's the old party. It's now the working mans party and if the rino's get pushed out the tea party people should be the norm. think more libertarian.

I hope so. But until those old hard-liners are gone... it is not going to happen.

Learning opportunity:

“Even With Republican Support For Marijuana Legalization At Record High, Partisan Gap Persists As More Democrats Embrace Reform”

https://www.marijuanamoment.net/rep...e-democrats-embrace-reform-gallup-finds/

Need guys like Abbott, Cruz, and Paxton gone and replaced with Republicans that won't alienate 90% of the state's population.

Schedule 1 drugs are drugs "with no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse."

Seems to me alcohol is a much more appropriate Schedule 1 drug than cannabis.

I don't have a dog in this fight, as I last messed with that stuff in college during the Nixon administration. That said, current federal policy is clearly irrational, scientifically insupportable and ridiculous. They better not start messing with my beer, though!

And they hate the law!!!!! drove up land prices and promoted alot of criminal issues

they both should be class one

I agree with you on many things, this isn't one of them. all you get for banning something is crime. Liquor gave us the mob and pot gave us the cartels.

What you talking ‘bout, Bob? The drug wars have been super effective!

Works best when bureaucrats determine law instead of elected representatives.

and the legalization gave us rehab centers across the country and road related death of 1.5 people on the hour every hour 365 days a year, dependancies and failing demographic areas(crime vs liquor store locations is interesting data)

I’m the most anti big government person out there, but as long as we have politicians getting pockets lined they are going to pick and choose industries funded vices, via back pocket cash, all will are doing are just picking the addictions, So lets just cut them all.

What is alcohol good for? Increasing stress hormones like Cortisol after you stop using it? It help you make better rational thought processes? Cleaning out your liver and better health? Fixing people problems? Make you better at your job? Make you better at parenting, Make you a better role model for your kids and people circle?

Hard argument for legalization of any recreational drug out side of personal freedom, which with the use usually impedes on the freedoms of non users(taxes, or direct harm, etc)

That can be said about a lot of federal policies.

FIFY

FIFY

Freedom, so long is it doesn’t negatively affect others’ freedoms, is all the reason I need.

How does drinking or smoking affect other people’s liberties?

Because pot smokers will consume around others who don't want to inhale their crap, I don't want your pot smoke and I sure don't want my grandkids around it.

So make THAT illegal. Making weed illegal because you don’t want to be around it makes no sense. Someone smoking it in their home doesn’t affect you.

I could live with laws that dictate where and who you could smoke around, some smokers would disobey the laws like they do now, but at least they could be prosecuted, actually there are already laws to protect children...truth is that if pot smokers only smoked at home, most of them would ever get caught. You probably see the issue differently than I do because you are a responsible adult but believe me over 45 years of dealing with pot smokers, I have encountered some real dummies.

Of course. And making weed illegal doesn’t stop them either. It only infringes upon the rights of law abiding citizens. Dumb people don’t care what the law is.

Yeah, we're not good at Making life altering decisions.........

ask ever first responder thats ever had to pull a family and kids out of a car that was killed by drunk driver, 1.5 people die ever hour on the hour 365 days a year, via dui’s. We all hate welfare and think it's BS, what about the billions spent in health care for alcohol abuse


alcohol is just like weed, sure its fine while in your home and not bothering anyone else or not beating wife or kids, or driving or running up healthcare tax bills due to liver and dependency issues but the reality is the later

Like I said I'm all for less government and individual liberties but reality is they do greatly affect individuals liberties and not in a good way.

Weed probably has more use then alcohol, But alcohol use has never made someone a better, higher functioning human

You’re talking about drinking and driving. It’s already illegal. Laws don’t stop it. More laws won’t, either.

I asked about drinking and smoking. I didn’t ask about driving.

so we dont pay any extra taxes or premiums due to alcohol abuse?


Who is a better person because of Alcohol?

Its a funny thing. Any type of vice known to man is "excused" under the guise of:

What I do in my own home is none of anyone else's business.


That is the biggest load of satanic deceit out there. It all affects someone else in some fashion or another.

“This constitution is for a moral and religious people, It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.“ John Adams


This idea of using morality to legislate is as old as time. Sorry ya hippie go back to Seattle or wherever you came from.

So who exactly is it going to effect this evening when I have a beer in my back yard after I mow the yard? Also, who is it going to effect when I take a gummy about an hour before bed to help me fall asleep and stay asleep?

You painted everyone with a very broad brush.

lol

2010 Alcohol abuse cost US citizens almost 300 billion. Now divide that out by US population….

Point isnt you or me, its the equivalent of the abusers

I ride with Sneaky.

25 years of responding to 9-1-1 calls. Seen plenty of drunks wreck very badly. Had plenty of drunks fight with us on scene and in the back of the ambulance. Saved a bunch of morons from opioid overdoses in their homes. Not ever one time have I seen someone high on marijuana give us any trouble.

Anyone that wants to save lives from automobile deaths needs to male cell phones disabled while they are traveling above a certain speed. That would make a thousand times more difference than worrying about alcohol or marijuana.

No, I totally get what you're saying Bobo. Some people just can't handle it and and are a burden on others and society. I can't handle liquor, which is why I haven't touched the stuff in a long time, I stick with beer.

But like Sneaky said, there are already laws against DUI more laws isn't going to change that. Just like more gun control laws isn't going to change the fact criminals don't care.

I was specifically asking TB who I was going to affect by having a beer in my back yard this evening or me taking a gummy to help fall asleep and stay asleep. He said, if I say it's no one's business what I do in my own home I'm somehow being satanically deceitful. I was just wondering how or who I'd be affecting by doing that.

We pay extra taxes because of politicians.

Nobody. Do you trust the government to make us better people?

These are pretty weak arguments against letting people make their own choices.

Dang right. Let’s make everything you think is morally wrong illegal. I’m not fit to make my own choices. I need a morally superior person to do it for me. You certainly fit that bill. TB for king!

That ain't no joke. Probably 7 out of 10 people I pass on the highway are on their damn phones. Drives me crazy.

I made my decision using the best medical advice I could get at the time; I usually don't go to the Internet for medical advice...guess I will pay the consequences of my choice, at least here on the THF, as will any pot smokers who get caught.

Im by no means a saint and love a good whisky way too much. Whiskey has never made me a better friend, father, husband, employee or productive member of a community.

recreational drugs have no other purpose then to alter ones reality. I dont even think Opioids should even be dispersed outside of immediate doctor supervision (example in hospital or hospice.)

I would give up some liberties if it helped just one of my friends become a better person, father, mother , etc. Alcoholism is way too prevalent to dismiss it as a small bi-product of personal liberties.

Do I care if my friends drink or smoke, no. My wife drinks. I just would never say that it doesnt intrude on to others liberties. If it went to vote, I would vote against is availability.

Id vote for this too!!

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Ben Franklin

Hope this didn’t affect anyone in a negative way

Satanic deceit... Wow, some folks on this forum sure do think of themselves as the morality police. F no, it's not Holier than Thou Buckeye's business what someone does inside their own home. If someone wants to get high, get drunk, watch porn, gamble on sports, listen to death metal, and do weird sh!t, it's not up to Texas Buckeye to determine whether they should be able to or not.

He also said, “being drunk, a very unfortunate vice”

were do you draw the line? Meth, herion, crack, cocain, opiods?

Bobo, I can see where you’re coming from but I’m not giving up any of my liberties just because others can’t control themselves.

Maybe have an alcoholic license and if you’ve ever had a DUI you’re not allowed to buy it. Would just create a black market for alcohol same as prohibition though. Alcoholics will still find a way same as drug addicts.

I think there is a better argument to over/regulate or ban alcohol than THC, but to be consistent in my argument, Id vote straight across on all drugs.

The liberties argument conveniently leaves out meth, opioids, heroin etc.

Freaking two faced, indecisive sumb***h!

You faught all of us telling you not to take the shots, and took this ^^^same stance as above.

Then you got very sick from it.

Then you said you didn't know the Paramedics weren't getting the shots, and you wish you would have known. Well you did know, but "usually don't go to the internet for medical advice". Then you later whine on the internet that you were lied to by "medical professionals".

You are a walking piece of trash. Don't stand up here and lecture people about marijuana smoking in their own homes.
It's healthier than those shots you so wisely accepted.

They are both dangerous and only a certain type of person can use either of them without abuse. That's a question you have to ask yourself. Alcohol has been horrible for me but I don't judge those who abuse alcohol but I see the abuse when it's happening in front of me. I try to stay away from those people. I'm not a social cannabis user, I use it when it feels appropriate on my property, alone. I think it's an individual choice with individual consequences.

My, my what a little boy we are tonight, mamma scold you or something? You are a childish know-it-all.

My liberties argument doesn’t. I’m perfectly fine with any adult smoking meth, popping pills, shooting up with heroin, you name it. You seem to confuse what’s good with what’s lawful. They are not always the same. I will gladly support someone’s freedom to smoke meth in order to keep my freedoms. I do NOT need or want the government telling me what I can and can’t do. Period. If you let them tell you that you can’t smoke weed, then you give them leeway to strip you of any freedom they deem necessary. This isn’t complicated stuff. Bob posted Ben Franklin’s quote about freedom and security. I guess few people understand what that means or how valuable it is, anymore. People just want what suits them, at that moment. Screw freedom. Screw Constitutional rights. If it suits me, that’s just fine. I don’t care what the consequences are. I just want what I want. I can’t imagine why that’s a bad thing or how it might have brought us to our current situation.

By the way, sometimes freedom is scary. If it frightens you, I can only recommend you take a look at any communist country for a dose of perspective. There are worse things than people doing what they want.

There is nothing in the US Constitution that grants you the right to do anything you please and disregard laws and social norms.

No [censored].

I fully and unequivocally respect your stance. You are consistent.

Like I said Im very much anti big government, but I dont base my thoughts of this as being uniquely American, I simply think society would benefit from less or to be absent of all recreational drugs such as opioids, anti depressants, alcohol etc Im not out protesting or Excommunicado’ing my friends or wife. Just a simple I would vote against their legality if offered, and i would respect the vote as it stands, like I do now


We wouldnt have laws if there wasnt Constitution and we wouldnt have a Constitution if there wasnt a SCOTUS over seeing the constitutional protections to or against those laws. Elicit drug use isn't a constitutional protection.

A Quote that will live in Infamy.

JG- In concho’s defense he fully disclosed and openly admitted that his approach and thoughts On the Shot were wrong back in like 2022 or 2023. You just missed it.

Jason didn’t miss that on either. I was in that thread LOL!

Lol, Ya I was just thinking he was in that thread too,

Think I was too and had technical difficulties soon after for a couple weeks...

Society would benefit from it. I agree. But who gets to decide what is morally acceptable and what isn’t? I don’t trust anyone to make that decision for me, therefore, I’m willing to let everyone else make that decision for themselves. A lot of people in power think that guns are immoral. Where is that line drawn?

thats a very good argument.

gun not so much, as soon as the “other ” society invades for your resources, as they always do, its out the window. But first part is a valid and well thought concern.

I didn't miss any of the grand standing sumbish, then sick, then groveling and whining that he "didn't know", then taking his original position again grand standing.

F him.

Shocked he was ever a detective, since it's impossible for him to get a clue.

Call me names all you want.

See how this plays out for you.

Seeing as how nobody has the ability to reach through the internet and punch someone, back to the actual topic. The rescheduling doesn’t really do anything from a criminal justice standpoint. It does make it easier for clinical trials to take place through. Schedule I can’t be administered but schedule III can. The results will be interesting.

Would there not be several convictions over turned or at least reduced because of this? People serving 20+ years for weed?

I’ll take what I can get.

Uhhh, you better see your own post, you called names first. It will play out for me just fine, I ain't skeered....your reading comprehension sucks too, I didn't lecture anyone on Marijuana smoking in their homes, it is in public that I lectured on...

This is from the BOP. Are there child predators, bank robbers ect ect who also had weed in the BOP? Yes. For nothing but simple marijuana possession, see below.

“As of January 2022, no offenders sentenced solely for simple possession of marijuana remained in the custody of the Federal Bureau of Prisons.”

https://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/weighing-impact-simple-possession-marijuana

Hey that’s good to know, learn something new every day. Thanks for posting. I’m glad it’s not as a big of a deal as it used to be.

The problem with freedom to use and abuse substances is that substance abuse, including marijuana, undeniably accelerates the decay of society.

That will inevitably lead to more overreach and less freedom.

Gun grabbers love it. Anything that boosts crime statistics, gives them numbers to play with and scare the sheeple.

The numbers have always been twisted by people to make it look like there were a lot of offenders in federal prison for weed because they wouldn’t mention that they were also there for several other violent crimes. The BOP separated the stats because of certain groups misrepresenting the offender’s convictions.

I have always wondered if pot smokers just don't own firearms or is it not a disqualifier on the federal form?

Ask hunter.

Perfect example of a person who from what I understand, purchased a firearm, completed a 4473, then went out in a public venue and admitted to drug use...now being prosecuted. I could be wrong, just asking.

it's possible and legal to purchase a firearm with no 4473 involved.

I get that, not what I'm asking. I wouldn't sell a firearm to that person if I knew, but that is me...

Makes more sense than anything else

I agree. Now I'm not innocent, I've fiddled with my phone while driving, but have seen some amazing things on the road when someone is obsessed with their phone. At a stop light the other day I saw a guy messing with his phone while his 2 small children (between two and five maybe) WALKING around the back seat. They were still that way when I passed them on the highway, but he had quit looking at his phone. Stupid idiot.

Yay more support for anxiety causing drugs

'Never touched ganja, in any form. I was around plenty of heavy users in college, back when it was way weaker than it is now. One was a life-long friend who finally cleaned up his act and he confirmed that there are many long-term effects that nobody is ever supposed to talk about, like many other "lifestyle choices."

I'll be 65 next month when do these " long-term effects" kick in and what should I expect, did he tell you?

Sitting in a big rig, you can see right down into a car. You might he surprised how many people are playing video games or swiping through plenty of fish or something whole they are cruising.

My truck is governed at 68 miles per hour. 99% of the people that I pass on the interstate are doing something like that. Some even watch movies. They always slow down. Soon as I see brake lights under normal driving conditions, I get as far away from them as possible.

They think dropping 5-10 mph in speed is gonna make up for the reaction time they lose by not focusing on the road. 55-65 mph is still gonna make you doornail dead in a head-on collision. No way around that.

I back the blue…. But some of y’all on this thread losing credibility with me for common sense reasoning when equating pot to other hard drugs and alcohol….never had an experience with people high on pot beating their wives and children, living on the streets begging for money, killing innocent victims driving while high on pot…..

I agree that alcohol is worse, that prescription drugs are worse, etc. I am looking at the decay of society as it relates to substance abuse. Marijuana plays a role in that. I don’t think it should be outright banned and it has it’s place, but substance use requires regulation.

Anywhere they decriminalize substance abuse everything goes downhill fast. Not everybody uses substances responsibily.

And Oklahoma is a great example.

News in Austin is saying some pot seized there has tested positive for Fentanyl.

If true we can thank prohibition for that.

This is a growing problem with all drugs. China is killing our citizens and no one cares because addicts are expendable.

Prohibition of fentanyl is alittle different. it’s a roll of the dice if it’s addiction or death first, but end result is the same

Brings a whole new meaning to Killer Weed

I have seen so many fall dead from this stuff, it is pure evil...even small communities are seeing this stuff show up in Methamphetamines, Cocaine, and now Marijuana. Just when Heroin appears under control again, this stuff comes along as a street drug.

I just hope everyone is careful out there, we can have all the mind dumbing debates we want about weed, but this is different.

I meant prohibition of weed, sorry should have been clearer. There’s be no need to worry about tainted weed if the potheads could buy it from legitimate sources like in the legal states.

I'm not sure how many "potheads" could afford $7-800.00 worth of pot you could hold in the palm of one hand...which is what you get with pot stores and legitimate sources. The government isn't going to legalize anything they cannot make a profit off.

Legalize it and it will be regulated and taxed to death. Priced a pack of Marlboro Light 100's lately? Mexico will keep on making it cheaper, adding a dash of Fentanyl sometimes and hauling it across our open borders.

This sadly is truth although most of it is local grown. Not worth importing it.

Quite a few ODs over the last couple weeks in Austin.

What are you getting that fits in your hand that's cannabis and costs $700-$800 ?
you can buy an ounce for $180 including tax

https://weedmaps.com/cart

Order summary

1oz *PLATINUM SHELF* Bubble Butt 22.7%
Subtotal
$143.43
Est. excise tax
$36.57
Est. total
$180.00

Just an example I was told about...I have no idea the prices, but I wouldn't pay $180.00 for an ounce either, even if I were a consumer, I'm shocked someone on a hunting forum could even argue the point...but then I guess I shouldn't be.

You've argued this for years. Why in the world are you shocked? Some hunters partake. It's no mystery.

When I was in the weed buying business I would pay 700 a pound from Mexico.

Maybe pot smokers only bow hunt...I think you can buy a bow without being asked if you partake...I guess I expected hunters to be law abiding citizens, my bad.

Reggie and full of seeds I remember them days came all squished together in big bricks.