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Re: GMC Ford or Ram 2500 [Re: Ktexas14] #9024540 03/25/24 10:02 PM
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Well only 1 of those 3 wont leave you on the side of the road, and its not Ford or GMC.
I hear Ram is coming out with a new, beefier automatic in 2025

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Originally Posted by TCM3
Well only 1 of those 3 wont leave you on the side of the road, and its not Ford or GMC.
I hear Ram is coming out with a new, beefier automatic in 2025


Why would they need a beefier automatic? nuts

From what I've seen lately, it's the GM trucks that need a beefier (or reliable) tranny (the mechanical type, not the BigPig type).


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Originally Posted by Judd
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Well only 1 of those 3 wont leave you on the side of the road, and its not Ford or GMC.
I hear Ram is coming out with a new, beefier automatic in 2025


Why would they need a beefier automatic? nuts

From what I've seen lately, it's the GM trucks that need a beefier (or reliable) tranny (the mechanical type, not the BigPig type).



The transmission in the ram can’t handle the hp and torque modern diesels produce.

That’s why the Cummins is significantly weaker (it has been detuned) than the powerstroke or duramax


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Re: GMC Ford or Ram 2500 [Re: Judd] #9024604 03/25/24 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Judd
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Well only 1 of those 3 wont leave you on the side of the road, and its not Ford or GMC.
I hear Ram is coming out with a new, beefier automatic in 2025


Why would they need a beefier automatic? nuts

From what I've seen lately, it's the GM trucks that need a beefier (or reliable) tranny (the mechanical type, not the BigPig type).

To match a possible new higher output cummins engine.


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Re: GMC Ford or Ram 2500 [Re: Ktexas14] #9024637 03/26/24 12:27 AM
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I'd keep the 2016.


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Re: GMC Ford or Ram 2500 [Re: txtrophy85] #9024644 03/26/24 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by txtrophy85
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Well only 1 of those 3 wont leave you on the side of the road, and its not Ford or GMC.
I hear Ram is coming out with a new, beefier automatic in 2025


Why would they need a beefier automatic? nuts

From what I've seen lately, it's the GM trucks that need a beefier (or reliable) tranny (the mechanical type, not the BigPig type).



The transmission in the ram can’t handle the hp and torque modern diesels produce.

That’s why the Cummins is significantly weaker (it has been detuned) than the powerstroke or duramax


I knew that, I wanted him to tell us how great the little 6 cylinder was wink


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Re: GMC Ford or Ram 2500 [Re: Ktexas14] #9024648 03/26/24 12:38 AM
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Back in 18’ my buddy bought a new 6 speed Cummins single cab. I called and asked him how he liked it, he was complaining it was sort of a dog.

I looked up the specs and it was de-tuned to something like 350 hp and 650 ft.lbs. Those are 2008-era numbers!


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I like the dodge models that are out. When I get ready I might switch to one. My '14 F250 has 80k miles are runs like a scalded ape so I will try to get a few more years on it.

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Originally Posted by Judd
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Well only 1 of those 3 wont leave you on the side of the road, and its not Ford or GMC.
I hear Ram is coming out with a new, beefier automatic in 2025


Why would they need a beefier automatic? nuts

From what I've seen lately, it's the GM trucks that need a beefier (or reliable) tranny (the mechanical type, not the BigPig type).



The transmission in the ram can’t handle the hp and torque modern diesels produce.

That’s why the Cummins is significantly weaker (it has been detuned) than the powerstroke or duramax


I knew that, I wanted him to tell us how great the little 6 cylinder was wink

I'll put it this way.... i bought one with the 5.9 V8 so i dont have to put a vp44 on the diesel every few years. roflmao


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Re: GMC Ford or Ram 2500 [Re: kry226] #9024663 03/26/24 01:08 AM
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Originally Posted by kry226
I'd rather have a CP3 than a CP4. 2cents



Thought they have gone back to the CP3 in 23? I know to avoid 19-22ish.

Your 16 might have a bad turbo actuator but other than that should be good to go. I am planning to die with my 2015 since I can’t afford to replace it so I drive it as little as possible.

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Originally Posted by scot
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I'd rather have a CP3 than a CP4. 2cents



Thought they have gone back to the CP3 in 23? I know to avoid 19-22ish.

I've been out of the Cummins game for a while, but I believe Ram had a CP3 up to 2018 (both 5.9 and 6.7). Then went CP4 in 19 and 20. In 2021, Ram went back to the CP3. I believe there was also a recall that would retrofit CP3 pumps into 19 & 20 MY trucks.

GM also got rid of the CP4, but Ford still runs it. There's no shortage of CP4 implosions on the Ford forums and it seems Ford doesn't really want to address the fragility of the CP4.


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Originally Posted by kry226
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I'd rather have a CP3 than a CP4. 2cents



Thought they have gone back to the CP3 in 23? I know to avoid 19-22ish.

I've been out of the Cummins game for a while, but I believe Ram had a CP3 up to 2018 (both 5.9 and 6.7). Then went CP4 in 19 and 20. In 2021, Ram went back to the CP3. I believe there was also a recall that would retrofit CP3 pumps into 19 & 20 MY trucks.

GM also got rid of the CP4, but Ford still runs it. There's no shortage of CP4 implosions on the Ford forums and it seems Ford doesn't really want to address the fragility of the CP4.


Someone told me the CP4 was designed for the European market where the diesel has lubricant added. On my 2016 duramax which has the CP4 i have added Hotshots Diesel Extreme to every tank from day one. Additionally i changed the fuel filter twice as often as spec'd in the hopes of extending injector life. Both of those things were done because of the known issue with the CP4 and also the cost of an injector job. It's anecdotal but the truck has 340k miles (548k kilometres) and is still running on the factory injectors and pump. That being said my spidy sense has been tingling so i traded it on Saturday for a new 2024 HD diesel ZR2.

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Originally Posted by txtrophy85
Back in 18’ my buddy bought a new 6 speed Cummins single cab. I called and asked him how he liked it, he was complaining it was sort of a dog.

I looked up the specs and it was de-tuned to something like 350 hp and 650 ft.lbs. Those are 2008-era numbers!


Sounds like a Cab & Chassis model, that’s the only ones they detune.

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Well only 1 of those 3 wont leave you on the side of the road, and its not Ford or GMC.
I hear Ram is coming out with a new, beefier automatic in 2025


Why would they need a beefier automatic? nuts

From what I've seen lately, it's the GM trucks that need a beefier (or reliable) tranny (the mechanical type, not the BigPig type).



The transmission in the ram can’t handle the hp and torque modern diesels produce.

That’s why the Cummins is significantly weaker (it has been detuned) than the powerstroke or duramax


I knew that, I wanted him to tell us how great the little 6 cylinder was wink


You’ll never that my truck has been a great truck, keep a vehicle for 10 years and report back to me when your opinion matters

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Originally Posted by BigPig



You’ll never that my truck has been a great truck, keep a vehicle for 10 years and report back to me when your opinion matters


You are not wrong - age matters. It is not that simple though. Equally and/or sometimes more important are miles driven and type of usage. A 7 year old truck with 300k+ miles on it used hard is a better metric than a 10+ year old truck used mostly lightly with 100k to 200k on it. If i can't get 300k+ miles of hard usuage without major repairs i am not interested. For me that has consistently been a Duramax (not saying a Ford or Dodge couldn't do it - just have no experience in that regard). Have put over 1,000,000 miles on 3 Duramax trucks and 4th is being picked up on Thursday.


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Re: GMC Ford or Ram 2500 [Re: Ktexas14] #9024765 03/26/24 11:11 AM
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Ram will hold the least value over time. If that doesn't matter (it does not to me as I keep vehicles forever), pick the one you like the best.

We (GM guys) haven't had injection pump problems since before the L5P came out in 2017.

GM transmission problems are not with the 2500 and 3500. It's the 6L80/85E (half tons) that are crap. Nothing comes with it any more really.

F***s are ugly as sin but they seem to stand up and hold value.


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Originally Posted by rolyat.nosaj
I like the dodge models that are out. When I get ready I might switch to one. My '14 F250 has 80k miles are runs like a scalded ape so I will try to get a few more years on it.


Ten years and only 80,000 miles?
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Ram will hold the least value over time. If that doesn't matter (it does not to me as I keep vehicles forever), pick the one you like the best.


F***s are ugly as sin but they seem to stand up and hold value.


Ford “holds value” mainly because they constantly change the exterior look which drives demand to have the latest and greatest.

Ram went from 2012-2018 before changing the front end look and minor interior change. That doesn’t drive demand to buy a new one, and tends to lower resale value

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My Ram 4x4 performance blows away my old Chevy 4x4 performance.

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Originally Posted by TCM3
Well only 1 of those 3 wont leave you on the side of the road, and its not Ford or GMC.
I hear Ram is coming out with a new, beefier automatic in 2025



I read the HD 25s across the board are going to the new ZF Powerline 8 speed.

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I would just look at examples of all three, pick the best deal on the one with the lowest miles in the best condition. Preferably 4X4, but don’t buy a lifted truck.

Based on looks alone, the Dodge. My personal preference in looks. Other than that it doesn’t really matter IMO. I have driven all three brands and had pretty good luck with all of them.


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Originally Posted by Ktexas14
Currently in a 2016 Ram 2500 cummins Laramie


I'm in a 2016 Ram 3500 dually, 4X4, Laramie, Cummins

148,000 and I hope to keep it another ten years or greater.

I had a 2001 Cummins from 2001 to 2008. 2008 Cummins from 2008 to 2016. And now this one.

I've had the shortest list of "problems", I can't even bring them up. Replacing them these days is so ridiculous, the next time I need a truck, I might build a 4 door truck on a 1979 Ford chassis and get out of the diesel engine business all together. It would still be cheaper than $100K


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Originally Posted by BigPig
Ram went from 2012-2018 before changing the front end look and minor interior change. That doesn’t drive demand to buy a new one, and tends to lower resale value


That and the disintegrating interiors Rams have.


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Back in 18’ my buddy bought a new 6 speed Cummins single cab. I called and asked him how he liked it, he was complaining it was sort of a dog.

I looked up the specs and it was de-tuned to something like 350 hp and 650 ft.lbs. Those are 2008-era numbers!


Sounds like a Cab & Chassis model, that’s the only ones they detune.

They detuned the trucks with the g56 tranny. The factory clutch was junk in them and would slip with anything over stock power. My factory clutch would slip with a 30hp tune with a 16' trailer hauling the buggy.

A new clutch and some good tuning turns them into a completely different animal. Still miss mine and wished I wouldn't have sold it.

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