I guess 1911's and I just don't get along. I like the look and feel of 1911's, so I have tried real hard to get along with them ---- to the tune of buying or trading for a bunch of Colts, a Kimber, and a Springfield. After all of that I have nicknamed the 45 ACP the

45
J Jamming
C Colt
P Pistol

Unless that round is in a Glock, or H&K, from my experience, and from what I have heard a Sig. I was supposed to trade for a Sig 45 this weekend, but that deal went south on me.

That technically incorrect. The revolver also has to cycle the cylinder and not just the trigger, which also must first [censored] the hammer, then release it. All in all a much slower system.

They've thrown Glocks out of low flying aircraft and they functioned fine afterward.....

Must have been some hard concrete that guy was standing on.

KC, what your body was experiencing was post-fight adrenalin dump, in your case, no fight to use up all the adrenalin and you got the shakes. First time someone took a shot at me I did fine during the action. Even drove away. But half an hour later it hit and I shook for a good 2-3 minutes. Quite normal. The more it happens, the less it affects you.

The first time I did a "not an exercise" room clearing of a large structure at about 2am with my patrol partner, locked an loaded with NVGs and white light, it didn't shake me up at all post-clearing (false alarm, no hostiles) but he shook so bad he couldn't buckle his seat belt in the Humvee.

Training is the key and knowing how your body will react.

H&K beats all them others. Try the H&K USP Compact. Only way to go.

I agree, it's my personal carry weapon.

Does the revolver's cylinder cycle through the force of pressure you exert on the trigger or by the force of the bullet? You can pull the trigger slow or fast, but the slide of an automatic only has one speed. That is a fixed value...

Automatic rate of fire= Lock time + cycle time of slide + sear reset

Revolver rate of fire= Lock time + rate of speed at which trigger is manipulated

Technically, there is no limit to how fast you can pull the trigger to rotate the cylinder and make the hammer ready. The only fixed value in the fire rate of a revolver is the lock time (time it takes the hammer to fall after the sear is disengaged)...

Won't fly. You're using muscular movment to cycle the trigger as well as the cylinder. Human tissue can't compete with recoil speed generated by gas pressure. There's no contest.

The Sig was left on top of the trunk of his patrol car; the deputy was off duty and was getting into his patrol car when his dog jumped in. In the wrestling match that took place putting the dog back in the house the Sig was overlooked and he went on down the road. About 2 miles down the interstate it came off and bounced down the road behind him. The Glock came out of the holster of a PD officer searching for a suspect on a rail car full of Ford pickup's sitting in the rail yard.

Exactly my point- you can put a finite measurement on the speed of a slide powered by recoil gas, but there is technically no limitation on the speed of human tissue (as Jerry Miculek and others like him have proven). I know it's sort of a moot point as the average human can't compare with the speed of a machine- I'm just making the argument that one is a finite measurement and the other is not...

Wrong, there's a finite limit to nerve transmission speed. You're doing too many jobs with muscle power. You can only reduce the length of pull so much to do all the mechanics the jobs require. Cocking the hammer, releasing the hammer and cycling the cylinder all have to be done with a revolver.

I've carried both Sig and Glock, and I've found them both to be great weapons. I have a choice between the two, and I currently carry a Sig. It just fits my hand like it was made for me. I have found, however, that Sigs seem to need more routine maintenance than Glocks to prevent rust on some of the parts.

Own both in .40 cal and prefer my Sig

Yes, but nerve transmission speed is quite a bit faster than the function of a slide...

I understand that, within the realm of reality, there is no difference in the speeds of an auto and a revolver. Both are limited by how fast the operator can manipulate the trigger, because no human I know of can manipulate the trigger before the slide has a chance to return to battery. However, if an operator were alive (or a machine were created) whose reaction times were such that he could actuate the trigger faster than the slide could cycle, then the revolver would be faster in that instance...

Both are outstanding and reliable. The Sig feels better in my hand.

That is crazy !!

Incorrect again. Nervous system impulses do not move like electricity along something like a copper wire with the only impedendence being the resistance of the conducter. Instead they are electrochemical discharges that have to depolorize and then repolarize to work. A slide has to only act upon the length of the frame necessary to do the proper mechanical actions of cycling the round and cocking the trigger.

Sabrinavonbach, have you noticed none of your posts on this thread answer the question the original poster asked ??

It is nice how you described in detail how everyone else is wrong though !!

Just an observation !!

The original question was rhetorical and not meant to be answered, nor can it be since for practical purposes it's really a matter of preference. The original poster did pose a question or comment about a Kimber.

Glad you understood my post, through all your jibber jabber !!

If we could only keep our politicians this honest.

So are you saying that if someone stood in front of you and fired a weapon the slide would have completed its cycle before you saw the event happen? What is the speed of sight? Sight is conducted through nerve impulses. I understand how the nervous system works, but if you think that a semi-auto pistol slide can cycle before a nerve impulse can travel from your pinky toe to your brain, I dunno what to say...

No need to get all wee weed up Sab, this is a friendly discussion, not a pizzin match. Yes, I understand how the nervous system works- I slept all the way through all of my college biology classes and managed to pull an A. I'm not a doctor or a neurosurgeon, so my knowledge is cursory. I know that sodium and potassium ions change place through the cell membrane causing a difference in charge, and therefore an action potential which allows the impulse to be transmitted. Now that may not be exactly correct, heck it may be totally wrong- I don't really care. Since we have effectively hijacked this thread and made ourselves look like big ole donkeys, why don't we just agree to disagree? Yes, I realize that it is physically impossible to react before a slide can cycle, therefore no human alive could shoot faster than a semi-auto pistol were capable of cycling. However, a revolver is mechanically capable of being fired faster than a semi-auto because the only thing limiting the rate of fire of a revolver is lock time and sear reset speed. The semi auto also has to deal with lock time and sear reset, but it has another fixed value, slide cycle time...

Like there's a good Obama speech?

I'm just going to remove myself from this chinwag before I get to spend some time in B-Camp...

You have to admit the guy is one hell of a liar.

I love both weapons. I carry a Glock. I have for over 20 years and have never had a problem. Cant say anything bad about the Sigs either.Just like the Glock.