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Civil War conicals in the 1860 Army #9006463 02/16/24 12:49 PM
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I had a chance to shoot a group each with the Eras Gone Johnston and Dow and the Eras Gone British-designed Kerr in my Uberti 1860 fluted-cylinder .44 yesterday afternoon. I had hand-lubed them by rubbing an SPG clone into the lube grooves -- only one on the Johnston and Dow. The latter bullet was pretty fiddly to get into the cylinder mouth because of its longer nose, and I had to be careful to keep that nose below the mouth of each chamber. The stubby little Kerr was much easier to handle and seat. I fired the groups from 25 yards rest over my chronograph. The load consisted of 22 grains by weight of Triple 7 FFF, sparked by ancient CCI No. 11 caps given a pinch to stay on the nipples. Oddly, the Kerr, just two grains lighter than the Johnston and Dow at 226 grains, gave a higher average velocity of 826 fps than the J&D at 801 fps. But the Kerr also gave me a five-inch-plus group vs. the 2 3/4-inch group yielded by the J&D. Both groups were about 11-12 inches above the point of aim -- common in my experience with the Colt open tops.
I'll shoot more groups in the near future, but at this point, it is pretty clear my Uberti prefers the Johnston and Dow over both the Kerr and the round ball. And to keep things in perspective, the J&D is virtually duplicating the muzzle velocity and speed of John Browning's .45 ACP.
This was my first outing with this Uberti 1860. It is rather stiff -- perhaps the famous arbor issue -- and sucked a few caps.
Kudos to Jefferson Arsenal for selling me 30 each of the J&D and Kerr for this purpose, and of course to Mark Hubbs of Eras Gone for bringing molds for these historic bullets to the market.

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Re: Civil War conicals in the 1860 Army [Re: Nolanco] #9007019 02/17/24 02:04 PM
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Very neat !

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Biscuit, Colt made only about 4,000 of their 200,500 Model 1860 Armys with fully fluted cylinders very early in the run. Sam Colt sold 2,000 of them to his friend Ben McCulloch for use by the Texas Rangers "just under the wire" before Northern sanctions came down on the Confederacy. The fully fluted cylinders shave some weight and make these sixguns livelier in the hand than the unfluted models. They have been scarce in the past, but Midway has them on sale for $322 right now. cool

Re: Civil War conicals in the 1860 Army [Re: Nolanco] #9007941 02/19/24 02:38 PM
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Who made the holster, Nolanco? I really like that.

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I did. It has some tooling errors, but these are a lot easier to make than they look, if you have a manila folder for a pattern and a piece of 8-10 ounce vegetable-tanned cowhide.

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You did a great job on that holster.

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As I said, it is easier than you think with the right leather. I place the gun along the crease in a manilla folder, then sort of pinch the folder around the outlines of the gun I then draw a line about 3/4 inch away from the pinched edges and cut that out for a pattern. Transfer the pattern to the 9-ounce veg-tan, cut it out, soak in lukewarm water until it will absorb no more, wrap your pistol in Saran wrap and then mold the wet leather as tightly as you can around the pistol, stretching and pressing with fingers and knuckles. After the wet leather has been stretched to the shape of the gun, I let the leather dry around the gun with the aid of clothes pins (padded with scrap leather as the wet holster leather is easily dented) holding the seam closed and stright. Once it is dry, next steps aren't hard. Use a stitch spacing wheel to mark your stitch holes, then poke them with a diamond awl and sew with waxed linen thread and dull-pointed harness needles.

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Cool as heck and packs a pretty good punch. I bet that is a lot of fun Nolan!


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Thank you for the instructions. I think I may give it a shot.

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Great! PM me if you have any questions. Oh, and I glue the seam closed with contact cement or Barge before starting the sewing.

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cheers coolpics nice work with the leather.
Been shooting black powder (Goex) since the 70's.
Pard had the 1851 Colt it shot the 451 rb
i had the 1851 Rem it shot a 454 rb
What you have pictured is a mini ball.
They made more for rifle, being harder ta load.
Got to .45 Kentucky rifles, a New Orleans Ace. & the

1860 colt. Like the smooth lines.
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Whin seating ball should have small ring of lead & we used crisco over ball.

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That's a nice 1860 you have there sir.
The two conicals I was shooting are from molds based on originals from the Civil War from Eras Gone. Mark has some great Youtubes.

https://www.erasgonebullets.com/

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Originally Posted by Nolanco
That's a nice 1860 you have there sir.
The two conicals I was shooting are from molds based on originals from the Civil War from Eras Gone. Mark has some great Youtubes.

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No video that i seen. coolpics of guns.
Bottom right pistolaroes, one on left tis
one i have, (most of my guns still in Texas)
the one on right tis the one pard had.
Mine used the .454rd ball his used .451.
Seen a YouTube about Custers last stand.
It said he had two shots, head & chest.
They retrieved the bullet ta head. It was a .41
caliber bullet cone shaped. Colt had sent 3 colts .41
caliber to a General for field test, (these were cartrage
type), any ways General kept one, gave one ta Custer,
another ta a Dr. field surgen, he the one that dug the .41
cone bullet out, so theory he ended his own life.
Sorry for the tid-bit, Me hobbie tis slinger heading
out with the .45's with pard.
Any ways cool info & thread.

edit : interested in the YouTube videos, didn't see
any on link. Will look again, me eyes not best.


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Re: Civil War conicals in the 1860 Army [Re: Nolanco] #9032544 04/11/24 06:05 PM
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If not mistaken the sights on colt pistols (front/rear),
were designed to be accurate @ 50 yards.
Top of front sight even with top of rear.
scratch thinking reason your shots were high @ 25 yards.
Majority of our shooting was slinger fast drawing, 21 paces,
shooting from hip.
Aiming, had ta use Kentucy english, front sight, even with bottom rear.
Just from thar. We shot @ gravel pit. Good back stop, one spotted,
while other shoot, & ajust for aim.
Got busy shooting are .45's these got the firing pin on hammer. Old school
Other .45's had firing pin on frame. So didn't get chance ta check videos.
Again thanks for info, Old western shooting tis hobbie. .45 ammo way too expensive.
Pard got equipment for reloading, bring cost down.
Still enjoy the .44 the smoke tis awesome. But the Goex cost & hard ta find.
It has hazards tax. Got the bang mind went blank. Newer type, smokeless powder.
It measures different, had tried the pyrodex back in 70's cleaner. Just not the same.
FFFF - tis finer grains, flash panflintlocks
FFF - small pistal/rifle 32 squirrel gun ta me .45
FF- 50cal & up
F - would be for cannon type. If remember correctly.
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