Took two cull bucks on consecutive Saturdays(me and a buddy). 394 yards same stand. I was worried about not enough resistance to open. Bullet performed flawlessly. One DRT and 20 yards with a blood trail Stevie Wonder could follow.

I think this my new hunting round. This bullet was easy to load and shoots tiny groups in my 28 nolser. 3136 fps.

Ive heard its a better large elk size game bullet then the 195. The 195 is pretty explosive in Elk, Mulies and aoudad.

I had this very discussion with Robert at Alamo Precision a couple weeks ago. He said the 180 Hybrid was a very good bullet but they had had very unpredictable results with the 195. I’m getting closer to starting a 7 PRC build and using the 180

Ive taken elk, mule deer and aoudad with 195, every thing died but from what I've seen the 180 hybrid and match are better at getting deeper holes. 195 has a very deep nose cavity so violent its what you get at moderate ranges, but again every thing I have hit the 195 has died

I witnessed an axis shot at 100 yards with a 28 Nosler and the 195. No exit. Massive internal damage.

I shot a Sika at 130 yards with same rifle and same result.

But I’ve also seen enough stuff shot with a 7 LRM Gunwerks and the 180 that all had exits. I’m sold on the 180.

i think the 180 is the ticket. I had a pretty good talk with Jeff Broz. @ long and he said essentially the same he is a big 30 215 fan, but from 7 side he said his experience was 180 was a better built for elk then 195. think in higher velocity 28n 180 match with thicker jacket is what i will go to after I run through all my 195’s

How about the 190 Hybrid!! I've had very good feedback on all the heavy 28 Nosler bullets. I load about 20,000+ rounds a year of 28 Nosler with 195 EOL for a large game ranch (when we can get the 195) and they say it's the most effective killing bullet they have seen. The 180 and 190 Hybrid have also done VERY well. The 190 Hybrid has a near identical BC as the 195, so matching up existing turrets is easy.

I’ll be the odd man out and say using target bullets on game isn’t advisable.

Of course you can find evidence to suggest otherwise, but the exceptions don’t disprove the rule.

Bullets designed for hunting have thicker jackets, bonded cores etc. they’re designed to penetrate through bone and retain their weight.

If you shout an elk with one of those target bullets, there’s a good chance that bullet will disintegrate before it reaches the vitals. Same could be said for a big boar.

Think we owe it to the animal to use the proper equipment and not risk severely wounding it.

The target line of Berger bullet have a thicker jacket than their hunting line.

Attached is a target round from an elk at 602 yards.

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You need to read up on Berger bullets before sharing such a strong position.

My Berger "hunting" bullet experiment, the 168 VLDH in my 7mag, sucked. I shot about 15 pigs with them, and while all the pigs died, if I hadn't been able to visually see them run into plumb thickets to die, I would have never found any of them. They ran over 100 yards with no blood trail. Then there was this mature whitetail buck, little over 100 yard impact.......



You guys can have the Bergers, and I'll take the Lapua Scenar every time if I want to hunt with a high BC "target" bullet. This from a big, mature mule deer buck.

https://shoot2hunt.com/35-bullet-ballistics-a-hunters-guide/

Listen to this…I could geek out on this type of stuff.

Dusty…years ago you were right, eyes have been opened.

I like Berger’s and I like scenars…seems lately that’s all I’ve been shooting in my hunting guns.

The VLD-H bullets are known for very dramatic wounds, with sometimes limited amount of penetration. If you switch over to the Hybrids (yes, a target bullet), you get a thicker copper jacket, and they do not upset as much and provide deeper penetration. I often recommend switching to a Hybrid (again, target) bullet for better performance. I can't tell you how many times this has been the case over the many years.

Second, I don't know if people are really serious in their comments, or are just a troll trying to stir the pot.

I stand by what I said, bearing in mind a quartering away shot may be the only shot you have on a bull elk.

That bullet needs to travel through a lot of muscle and bone before it reaches the vitals.

Also consider you may not get a follow up shot opportunity.

Those target bullets will shed their jacket almost immediately and basically blow up after 2-3 inches of penetration.

You guys can shoot whatever you want, just one guys opinion here, no need to get triggered.

If it ain’t broke don’t fix it, get you a partition or an A frame.

This is what's false. The topic was on a 180 Hybrid, which is a VERY good hunting bullet. But I find, and mostly, most of my customers find, that the Berger Target bullets perform better on game. They allow for deeper penetration and hold together better. The main issue I find is the "Hunting" VLD's are the one's with the thinner jacket and have more fragmentation and limit penetration. So, the "hunting" VLD bullet compared to the "target" hybrid is exactly opposite of what your comments suggests.

I don't care how a bullet is labeled, if it's a hunting or target bullet. I care about how the bullet performs and what it can do. And we've come a LONG way from the Nosler Partition in 1948.

Where does the OP say it’s a hybrid? (Answer: it doesn’t)

Moot point but just pointing out the title refers to a Target bullet as does scdogman’s follow up post regarding the “target” bullet he recovered.

It also doesn’t matter when a bullet was created, has zero impact on its worthiness.

How long ago was a shovel invented? Why do they still make them? Because they work.

Jgraider,

What was your muzzle velocity or impact velocity? Did you hit the shoulder? Why the need for high BC bullets?

The bullet was the 180 target hybrid.

My setup at 394 is the farthest I can get it from the feeder. All my shooting is to prepare for elk at long range if needed. I hope to shoot a couple of hogs out of that stand. I will report back with pictures and performance.

My 300 win shoots a target bullet as well. 215 hybrids target. On some sites, it’s rated as the number elk bullet. Google Broz’s 78 elk kill in two years with that bullet.

The flat brimmed internet brigade several years ago was preaching and praising the Berger VLDH as the greatest hunting bullet in the history of mankind so I wanted to see for myself what all the hoopla was about. That bullet was loaded to 2910fps at the muzzle, so maybe 2700 at impact? Just guessing. No, I did not hit bone, as bullet entered right behind the shoulder as the buck was broadside. I'm not one who constantly preaches high BC bullets for my hunting like many do around here. 95% of all big game animals are killed under 300 yards so most of the time it's a moot point for hunting. I've grown up and hunted in the open/semi open country West TX and the TX Panhandle most of my life, and the vast majority of the time I'm loaded with accubond, partition, or ballistic tips.

I use them in my 257 wby and 28 nos… They kill, but I pretty much shoot high shoulder on everything but bears.

6.5 CM I’m a big Scenar fan expect the exit holes are to big on bears. Moving to 223 for bears

I dont know anything about all this stuff, but Ive always shot partitions so I dont need to know anything else.

Im starting to come out of the old school mentality (Swift A Frame) a little on this, and using the 220 ELDX this season. I have seen good performance from the 195 EOL in the 28 Nosler as well. I watched a big buck in Oklahoma die from the 195, it destroyed the inside of that deer and had an exit. Im also trying the 220 LRHT on hogs, and have had similar results.

Here is a 220 ELDX out of my 300 PRC, MV 2840. It impacted the deer at 284 yards and it literally fell where it stood and was done. It was put right through the shoulder, made a turn toward the rear and left three small pieces in the meat around the ribs about an inch apart midway through the ribs. The jacket was in the skin on the opposite side, and weighed 43 gr.

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Never loaded the bergers but have been really happy with the hornady eldx as a hunting bullet with more controlled expansion, weight retention, and penetration than most cup and core bullets. That said if I’m loading a cup and core non premium bullet I’m loading heavy for caliber, lowers velocity, higher sectional density and more mass. I load 150’s in my 270, 160-175’s in 7mm08, 180/212/220 in 30-06 etc.

That's how I load everything. Sierra, Hornady, Berger bullets. Heavy for cartridge, not concerned with muzzle velocity (to a point). Lots of meat put in the freezer that way.

To a point meaning, don't load a 180 gr in a 7mm-08. Don't load a 200+ gr in a .308 Win.

Pick a cartridge and I know maximum weight I am going to go to, factoring in barrel length and what cartridge it is.

As an example, .300 Win Mag/ .300 PRC, if the barrel is 20" or greater, I want to start with a 200 gr.