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Re: Tx Law 62.0121 [Re: Double AC] #8962031 11/26/23 05:06 PM
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Thank you for clarifying Double AC. I apologize if my response came across as rude…still a little irritated about being called a poacher…. You make a good point, every choice we make has risk involved.

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Unless a person has thousands of acres, you cannot possibly keep a bullet contained to your own land. Even if a freak accident were to happen, (ricocheting off a rock and bullet flies 1/4 mile and hits a person) how would anyone ever know where it came from. Hell, there’s plenty of people shooting with as little as 10 acres and you never hear about accidents and you know the media would love to run those stories.

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Originally Posted by grout-scout
Unless a person has thousands of acres, you cannot possibly keep a bullet contained to your own land.


Yes you can.

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Originally Posted by Hudbone
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I think big moneyed land interests helped get this and trespassing upgrade if crossing fence new with loaded weapon. Not sure if I can understand the validity of anyone being posed to either.


Is there something new about an upgrade if a firearm is loaded?

I am already aware of the projectile across property line one, the new river law regarding firearms and hunting, the hunting over submerged land one, criminal trespassing where with a weapon which could include anything as simple as a pocket knife that upgrades it to a class A misdemeanor, and parks and wildlife code on the hunting without permission and poaching where killing a big game animal upgrades it to a felony. But I have not heard of anything new that specifies an upgrade triggered by whether a firearm was loaded or not? Or I don't remember it. That is like 5 Texas laws or regs already on the books that in some way relate to trespassing I just listed, so it can be confusing.


Nothing new. Several years ago. I remember posts about this when hunters would complain about tracking a target that did not “comply” on the property it was shot on.


Ok, that would fall under the criminal trespass that becomes a Class A Misdemeanor if with a weapon and would not matter if a firearm was loaded. I don't think any of that is new. Just more enforced than it used to be.

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Originally Posted by Sniper John

Ok, that would fall under the criminal trespass that becomes a Class A Misdemeanor if with a weapon and would not matter if a firearm was loaded. I don't think any of that is new. Just more enforced than it used to be.


Several circumstances make criminal trespass an A and they are nothing new. It's always been enforced.

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Elevation is the solution. My blinds are on 5ft bases on top of small rises, which puts our guns around 10ft up. We shoot towards feeders 80 -100 yard’s away. In addition, I make sure there’s heavy tree cover on the backside of both feeder pens. Those round’s aren’t going anywhere.


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Re: Tx Law 62.0121 [Re: ntxtrapper] #8962095 11/26/23 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
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Unless a person has thousands of acres, you cannot possibly keep a bullet contained to your own land.


Yes you can.


At the risk of sounding like a**, how?

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Originally Posted by bholland

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Unless a person has thousands of acres, you cannot possibly keep a bullet contained to your own land.


Yes you can.


At the risk of sounding like a**, how?

I have hunted several smaller properties, 20 and 50 acres, and there is no way that the bullet ever left the property. By using elevated blinds and natural banks/rises, this is not an issue.
Heck you can shoot at sky-lined animal on 3000 thousand acres and have a bullet leave.
Regardless of property size, shooting toward the ground at a decent angle is a good idea.


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Re: Tx Law 62.0121 [Re: bholland] #8962305 11/27/23 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by bholland

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Unless a person has thousands of acres, you cannot possibly keep a bullet contained to your own land.


Yes you can.


At the risk of sounding like a**, how?


Frangible very fast projectiles are a good start. I target shoot into giant stumps that have a tank dam behind them. When I hunt, I shoot into a naturally occurring hill from an elevated position. My gang detective office I supervised had a 75% clearance rate on proving GSW's in Fort Worth. Proving it in a rural area would be so easy it wouldn't even be much of a challenge.

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Shoot from elevated positions and you almost eliminate this problem. I have 160 acres and we have elevated blinds at least 10' and Tripods at 12 to 15'.
Why litigate this potential problem just make sure your always shooting in a safe direction.
For sighting we have a hundred yard range shooting down into a gully.
All the speculation will be a waste of time and catastrophic if you shoot someone.

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Originally Posted by ntxtrapper

Frangible very fast projectiles are a good start. I target shoot into giant stumps that have a tank dam behind them. When I hunt, I shoot into a naturally occurring hill from an elevated position. My gang detective office I supervised had a 75% clearance rate on proving GSW's in Fort Worth. Proving it in a rural area would be so easy it wouldn't even be much of a challenge.



So you think everyone has tank dams and stumps that they are shooting at? Everyone hunts from elevated blinds? You guys are insane if you think that’s the reality. Come to the hill country where all you’ll see from an elevated stand is the top of a cedar juniper. In your fantasy land bullets don’t cross property lines, in the real world they do. Hell I used to live near a range, with a dirt stop behind the targets and I’d always hear bullets ricocheting by.

My point is, not everyone’s land is the same. Great if you guys can 100% of the time guarantee that your bullet isn’t crossing fence lines; but it’s not that way in all of Texas.

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I see plenty of videos posted on here by the pig hunters and none of these dudes are shooting from elevated towers and I can assure everyone here, their bullets aren’t all staying on their property.

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it doesn't matter how you do it, it's just your responsisbility to be mindful and careful.

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I like the law. Gives you some recourse over idiots & poachers/trespassers.

Re: Tx Law 62.0121 [Re: bholland] #8962537 11/27/23 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by bholland

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Unless a person has thousands of acres, you cannot possibly keep a bullet contained to your own land.


Yes you can.


At the risk of sounding like a**, how?

See jimbo's response above. I know that careless accidents happen, and if that careless accident results in putting an innocent person in danger, then the person who was careless should be held accountable. Don't just accept that bullets will from time to time leave your property. Do everything you can to stop that from happening.

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Originally Posted by grout-scout
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Frangible very fast projectiles are a good start. I target shoot into giant stumps that have a tank dam behind them. When I hunt, I shoot into a naturally occurring hill from an elevated position. My gang detective office I supervised had a 75% clearance rate on proving GSW's in Fort Worth. Proving it in a rural area would be so easy it wouldn't even be much of a challenge.



So you think everyone has tank dams and stumps that they are shooting at? Everyone hunts from elevated blinds? You guys are insane if you think that’s the reality. Come to the hill country where all you’ll see from an elevated stand is the top of a cedar juniper. In your fantasy land bullets don’t cross property lines, in the real world they do. Hell I used to live near a range, with a dirt stop behind the targets and I’d always hear bullets ricocheting by.

My point is, not everyone’s land is the same. Great if you guys can 100% of the time guarantee that your bullet isn’t crossing fence lines; but it’s not that way in all of Texas.


You do you but I can guarantee that if a projectile leaves your gun and hits someone on another property, you’re going to jail and you will be destroyed in civil court. As for your previous statement about proving it up, that will be easy.

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Originally Posted by bholland
Thank you for clarifying Double AC. I apologize if my response came across as rude…still a little irritated about being called a poacher…. You make a good point, every choice we make has risk involved.


He wasn't calling you a poacher. He said Soooo sounds like a poacher.

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Originally Posted by bholland
If I was a poacher do you really think I would be concerned about legality and asking questions about the law??

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It's a stupid law passed by stupid and corrupt lawyers.


You're not soooo, you're bholland, unless you are running 2 accounts here.

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This was previous to the law being passed, but we used to shoot skeet at my dad's property in Wimberly, and the neighbor (who runs an RV park) called the sherriff on us after his residents complained of pellets landing on their roofs. I imagine the wind carried them as we were shooting in the opposite direction. Either way, sherriff came out and toured the property and we were told their was no issue, that he'd being doing the same thing on the property. Next time we shot skeet the neighbor decided to fire a few rounds over our heads from his .357 magnum.

I agree that regardless of the law, you ultimately accept responsibility for every round you fire (morally, if not legally), and should thus plan accordingly.

At any rate, I am enjoying this discussion. popcorn

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Originally Posted by garyrapp55
Originally Posted by bholland
If I was a poacher do you really think I would be concerned about legality and asking questions about the law??

Originally Posted by soooo
It's a stupid law passed by stupid and corrupt lawyers.


You're not soooo, you're bholland, unless you are running 2 accounts here.

But, garyrapp55, you created the confusion. You replied to bholland not soooo. I often see people doing this. They simply reply using the box at the bottom of the page which replies to the person who started the thread (in this case bholland). Whereas clicking the "Reply" button under each post the reply goes to that person. Compound all that with the username - soooo. Maybe bholland thought you were saying "So, you sound like..." but you're dragging out the So. Yes, silly. But I absolutely see how he thought you were talking to him despite my understanding what was going on. It's not the first time there has been confusion. Again, people need to do better about replying properly. It's not hard.


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Originally Posted by Mickey Moose
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Originally Posted by bholland
If I was a poacher do you really think I would be concerned about legality and asking questions about the law??

Originally Posted by soooo
It's a stupid law passed by stupid and corrupt lawyers.


You're not soooo, you're bholland, unless you are running 2 accounts here.

But, garyrapp55, you created the confusion. You replied to bholland not soooo. I often see people doing this. They simply reply using the box at the bottom of the page which replies to the person who started the thread (in this case bholland). Whereas clicking the "Reply" button under each post the reply goes to that person. Compound all that with the username - soooo. Maybe bholland thought you were saying "So, you sound like..." but you're dragging out the So. Yes, silly. But I absolutely see how he thought you were talking to him despite my understanding what was going on. It's not the first time there has been confusion. Again, people need to do better about replying properly. It's not hard.


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Soooo, you sound like a poacher.

Mickey Moose, I specifically called soooo out by name. See me quoting myself here to show you? Thanks for your lesson on how to use this forum but it seems I'm not the one in need. What more do you want from me?

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A few years back a fellow was target shooting and a bullet traveled away from his property. A boy was hit and died from the injury. I think he was sentenced to some time in prison.. Seems this was in the San Marcos or Buda area.

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Originally Posted by Wilhunt
A few years back a fellow was target shooting and a bullet traveled away from his property. A boy was hit and died from the injury. I think he was sentenced to some time in prison.. Seems this was in the San Marcos or Buda area.


Seems like a lot of people don’t understand that they are responsible for that bullet during its short life.

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We had a THF forum member that had a horse shot from a neighboring target shooter. I bet that got ugly. The thread was removed.


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Small properties....reduce your risk.

Increase your angle to the ground.
Shoot into propositioned back stops.
Shoot shotgun slugs.
Shoot subsonic ammo.

If it leaves the property you leave yourself open to legal troubles....


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