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Fossil fuels for transportation #8899353 08/11/23 03:48 PM
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I wonder how many more years we really have?

At 58 of course plenty for my lifetime. Will happily keep burning the diesel.


Wonder what will replace it?


To be determined
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Hydrogen is the fuel of the future

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Originally Posted by Paluxy
Hydrogen is the fuel of the future


absolutely. start building nuclear power plants as fast as we can. win win.


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Originally Posted by TurkeyHunter
I wonder how many more years we really have?

At 58 of course plenty for my lifetime. Will happily keep burning the diesel.


Wonder what will replace it?


When that happens, I predict it will be walking. Horses for the country folks.

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The few left will be walking or maybe riding horses. We will destroy our civilization long before the oil and gas are gone.


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Originally Posted by nak
The few left will be walking or maybe riding horses. We will destroy our civilization long before the oil and gas are gone.

It will be destroyed.


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Originally Posted by TCM3
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The few left will be walking or maybe riding horses. We will destroy our civilization long before the oil and gas are gone.

It will be destroyed.


yes, we know how this one ends.


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I am 52. If I live into my 80s I can pretty much guarantee that at least half of the vehicles sold the year that I pass away will still be burning fuel of some sort.

Fossil fuels are also not fossil fuels. It gets made every single day and it's a natural byproduct of the way the Earth works. The term fossil fuels was coined as a phrase used in a speech in the 1920s. The political left has hated oil companies long before they made up climate change.

I'll clue y'all into another fact that nobody is aware of. Engines do not produce much CO2 when they burn any type of fuel. They mostly produce carbon monoxide which is not a greenhouse gas because that molecule cannot absorb infrared radiation. An oxidizing type catalytic converter turns carbon monoxide into carbon dioxide.

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Re: Fossil fuels for transportation [Re: TurkeyHunter] #8899418 08/11/23 05:40 PM
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There's more than enough for the next 100-150 years. Then add in more years as technology/methods change and improve.


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The earth produces oil, more than we will use. It is not from fossils nor is it rare.. It is manipulated for $ like most things these days.


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Ask Brazil... back in the 70s when the middle east started their oil embargo, Brazil stared converting to alcohol... they even refine sugar cane in the field, burning the stalks to fuel the refinery.

We could do the same with grain and sugar cane.

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Originally Posted by 9x19
Ask Brazil... back in the 70s when the middle east started their oil embargo, Brazil stared converting to alcohol... they even refine sugar cane in the field, burning the stalks to fuel the refinery.

We could do the same with grain and sugar cane.


Brazil was in a unique circumstance because they have virtually unlimited amounts of water to grow sugarcane with. Alcohol is also a very damaging fuel that doesn't have a lot of energy content per pound but it's great for making power.

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Originally Posted by Paluxy
Hydrogen is the fuel of the future


roflmao roflmao

No freaking way. Hydrogen doesn’t have enough energy to power vehicles. My career was in hydrogen production for 40 years. Separating hydrogen from water takes a lot of energy. Steam methane reforming takes a lot of energy. It’s the carbon in methane that produces the most energy when one cubic foot of natural gas is burned. Hydrogen for fuel is as big a scam as electric vehicles.

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Fossil fuels will always be used. They will just continue to get more expensive.


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Originally Posted by RattlesnakeDan
The earth produces oil, more than we will use. It is not from fossils nor is it rare.. It is manipulated for $ like most things these days.


Is this correct or wrong?

“Fossil fuel a natural fuel such as coal or gas, formed in the geological past from the remains of living organisms.”


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“Fossil fuel a natural fuel such as coal or gas, formed in the geological past from the remains of living organisms.”
That my friend is the CNN version of truth but far from facts.


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Originally Posted by RattlesnakeDan
“Fossil fuel a natural fuel such as coal or gas, formed in the geological past from the remains of living organisms.”
That my friend is the CNN version of truth but far from facts.


What are the facts?


To be determined
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Originally Posted by TurkeyHunter
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“Fossil fuel a natural fuel such as coal or gas, formed in the geological past from the remains of living organisms.”
That my friend is the CNN version of truth but far from facts.


What are the facts?


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I still think there's something to the water powered vehicle concept, even though it continues to get "disproven". I believe it would be a major threat to the money making oil industry.


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Originally Posted by FayetteCo
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Hydrogen is the fuel of the future


roflmao roflmao

No freaking way. Hydrogen doesn’t have enough energy to power vehicles. My career was in hydrogen production for 40 years. Separating hydrogen from water takes a lot of energy. Steam methane reforming takes a lot of energy. It’s the carbon in methane that produces the most energy when one cubic foot of natural gas is burned. Hydrogen for fuel is as big a scam as electric vehicles.


Cummins and Cat developed hydrogen engines as a scam? yeah sure OK...

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Originally Posted by Paluxy
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Hydrogen is the fuel of the future


roflmao roflmao

No freaking way. Hydrogen doesn’t have enough energy to power vehicles. My career was in hydrogen production for 40 years. Separating hydrogen from water takes a lot of energy. Steam methane reforming takes a lot of energy. It’s the carbon in methane that produces the most energy when one cubic foot of natural gas is burned. Hydrogen for fuel is as big a scam as electric vehicles.


Cummins and Cat developed hydrogen engines as a scam? yeah sure OK...


GE is developing a hydrogen jet engine. up


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Originally Posted by Paluxy
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Hydrogen is the fuel of the future


roflmao roflmao

No freaking way. Hydrogen doesn’t have enough energy to power vehicles. My career was in hydrogen production for 40 years. Separating hydrogen from water takes a lot of energy. Steam methane reforming takes a lot of energy. It’s the carbon in methane that produces the most energy when one cubic foot of natural gas is burned. Hydrogen for fuel is as big a scam as electric vehicles.


Cummins and Cat developed hydrogen engines as a scam? yeah sure OK...

Without govt subsidies these wouldn't exist.


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Hydrogen is the fuel of the future


roflmao roflmao

No freaking way. Hydrogen doesn’t have enough energy to power vehicles. My career was in hydrogen production for 40 years. Separating hydrogen from water takes a lot of energy. Steam methane reforming takes a lot of energy. It’s the carbon in methane that produces the most energy when one cubic foot of natural gas is burned. Hydrogen for fuel is as big a scam as electric vehicles.


Cummins and Cat developed hydrogen engines as a scam? yeah sure OK...


GE is developing a hydrogen jet engine. up


Developing it and actually putting it into use are two different things. The fuel tank a jet would have to carry if it was burning only hydrogen would only allow enough excess cargo capacity for a two-man crew and no passengers. Hydrogen has an almost negligible energy content by volume when compared to diesel, gasoline, natural gas, jet fuel, propane, methanol, or ethanol. I can't think of another combustible fuel that carries so little energy by volume.

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Originally Posted by Paluxy
Originally Posted by FayetteCo
Originally Posted by Paluxy
Hydrogen is the fuel of the future


roflmao roflmao

No freaking way. Hydrogen doesn’t have enough energy to power vehicles. My career was in hydrogen production for 40 years. Separating hydrogen from water takes a lot of energy. Steam methane reforming takes a lot of energy. It’s the carbon in methane that produces the most energy when one cubic foot of natural gas is burned. Hydrogen for fuel is as big a scam as electric vehicles.


Cummins and Cat developed hydrogen engines as a scam? yeah sure OK...


One gallon of hydrogen has 36,855 btu of energy. One gallon of diesel has138700 btu of energy. Diesel has almost 4 times the energy of liquid hydrogen.

Yes, hydrogen powered engines and vehicles are being produced. They are all for show or for government projects. Over the road trucks carry 200 to 300 gallons of fuel. To carry the equivalent amount of energy the same truck will need to carry 800 to 1200 gallons of liquid hydrogen. Since liquid hydrogen is so dangerous hydrogen power vehicles carry gas’s hydrogen at high pressures.

A standard high pressure tube trailer of pure hydrogen contains 100,000 cubic feet of hydrogen at 2,600 psig. 100,000 cubic feet of gas hydrogen equals about 880 gallons. So explain to me exactly how an 18 wheeler that has to carry 100,000 cubic feet of hydrogen in a tube trailer that weighs 60,000 pounds is going to haul an additional 60,000 pounds of cargo?

Energy is energy. Mass is Mass. you can’t make up your own rules of physics to appease the global warming freaks or the stupid government idiots.

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