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Re: Tourist Sub Missing [Re: Big Fitz] #8872434 06/23/23 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Big Fitz
Complete waste of taxpayer money and time.


The US Navy often gets involved in a variety of underwater searches. It was once explained to me by a US navy officer who worked with such things that's a good way to test their training, equipment and capabilities. I met him on a flight to Europe where he was going to coordinate with Norway on some underwater scenarios.

If citizens don't like it then write your congressman and senators.


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Re: Tourist Sub Missing [Re: ntxtrapper] #8872472 06/23/23 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
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Fox is reporting the navy heard the implosion the day it happened. Sounds like the outcome was known from the get go.


And the order to keep quiet came from the WH.

It got leaked to the WSJ.

Gas lighted the [censored] out of everyone for nearly a week to distract from Hunter and Joes crimes - IRS whistleblower testimony today.


You have a link to the story about that order?


https://www.zerohedge.com/political...ng-sub-story-biden-bombshells-hit-target

"for those wondering how many minutes the mainstream media has devoted today to the IRS whistleblowers' story, we have the answer: 0".

Re: Tourist Sub Missing [Re: RayB] #8872610 06/23/23 09:14 PM
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Just think - the compression ratio (of air) in a diesel engine is about 20:1 - and enough to 'ignite' the fuel.
This thing imploding a couple miles down would be about a 400:1 compression ratio !! eek2
- that much instantaneous energy would have incinerated any contents/bodies in a flash - nothing to recover but ashes!

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To quote a P.O.D. song, "Here goes the Boom"...

Re: Tourist Sub Missing [Re: oldoak2000] #8872631 06/23/23 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by oldoak2000
Just think - the compression ratio (of air) in a diesel engine is about 20:1 - and enough to 'ignite' the fuel.
This thing imploding a couple miles down would be about a 400:1 compression ratio !! eek2
- that much instantaneous energy would have incinerated any contents/bodies in a flash - nothing to recover but ashes!


^^^^^

Not really. Yes, both matter and energy are compressed but there are initial and secondary shock waves in under water implosions. One is the energy/air being compressed, the other is the water rushing in and rebounding. All of this happening in less than a second.

Remember that the adult human body is about 60% water (non compressible but can be displaced), so damage to the body is the result of force (over time/duration). They would not be incinerated by any stretch of the imagination. The bodies would first be compressed (at roughly 5,000 psi) then torn apart as the non-compressible matter (blood/water) is rapidly displaced.

It is 'possible' that some major bone structures could survive that (and teeth), but that is about all. It is isn't reasonable to expect that any significant 'remains' exist to recover.

Sadly all were lost, and to make matters worse....it is being reported that 'Suleman Dawood' (19 year old Son of billionaire Dawood) didn't want to go....but finally submitted when asked to do it for Father's Day.


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Re: Tourist Sub Missing [Re: RayB] #8872632 06/23/23 10:08 PM
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Any picts from the debris field or the major components remaining of the sub start showing up yet?


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Your eyesight starts getting weaker but your ability to
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Re: Tourist Sub Missing [Re: DannyB] #8872646 06/23/23 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DannyB
Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
Originally Posted by Cochise
Originally Posted by krmitchell
Fox is reporting the navy heard the implosion the day it happened. Sounds like the outcome was known from the get go.


And the order to keep quiet came from the WH.

It got leaked to the WSJ.

Gas lighted the [censored] out of everyone for nearly a week to distract from Hunter and Joes crimes - IRS whistleblower testimony today.


You have a link to the story about that order?


https://www.zerohedge.com/political...ng-sub-story-biden-bombshells-hit-target

"for those wondering how many minutes the mainstream media has devoted today to the IRS whistleblowers' story, we have the answer: 0".


interesting

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/22/politics/irs-whistleblower-hunter-biden/index.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/now/video/w...ter-biden-special-treatment-184217669751

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/irs-w...nduct-in-the-hunter-biden-investigation/

https://abcnews.go.com/US/irs-whist...ied-efforts-prosecute/story?id=100320799

https://apnews.com/article/hunter-b...ongress-d242a84d4d6d8e90db68febab168fef7

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/de...biden-irs-whistleblower-testimony-secret

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65344338

https://www.skynews.com.au/world-ne...e/video/97fc022af6f17f8b601e935db6ff0258


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Re: Tourist Sub Missing [Re: flintknapper] #8872749 06/24/23 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted by flintknapper
Originally Posted by oldoak2000
Just think - the compression ratio (of air) in a diesel engine is about 20:1 - and enough to 'ignite' the fuel.
This thing imploding a couple miles down would be about a 400:1 compression ratio !! eek2
- that much instantaneous energy would have incinerated any contents/bodies in a flash - nothing to recover but ashes!


^^^^^

Not really. Yes, both matter and energy are compressed but there are initial and secondary shock waves in under water implosions. One is the energy/air being compressed, the other is the water rushing in and rebounding. All of this happening in less than a second.

Remember that the adult human body is about 60% water (non compressible but can be displaced), so damage to the body is the result of force (over time/duration). They would not be incinerated by any stretch of the imagination. The bodies would first be compressed (at roughly 5,000 psi) then torn apart as the non-compressible matter (blood/water) is rapidly displaced.

It is 'possible' that some major bone structures could survive that (and teeth), but that is about all. It is isn't reasonable to expect that any significant 'remains' exist to recover.

Sadly all were lost, and to make matters worse....it is being reported that 'Suleman Dawood' (19 year old Son of billionaire Dawood) didn't want to go....but finally submitted when asked to do it for Father's Day.



I'm not thinking the body 'self igniting' but the body surrounded by the explosively-compressed air - that air had to have gotten super hot being instantly compressed ! pv=nrt !

Re: Tourist Sub Missing [Re: oldoak2000] #8872756 06/24/23 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by oldoak2000
Originally Posted by flintknapper
Originally Posted by oldoak2000
Just think - the compression ratio (of air) in a diesel engine is about 20:1 - and enough to 'ignite' the fuel.
This thing imploding a couple miles down would be about a 400:1 compression ratio !! eek2
- that much instantaneous energy would have incinerated any contents/bodies in a flash - nothing to recover but ashes!


^^^^^

Not really. Yes, both matter and energy are compressed but there are initial and secondary shock waves in under water implosions. One is the energy/air being compressed, the other is the water rushing in and rebounding. All of this happening in less than a second.

Remember that the adult human body is about 60% water (non compressible but can be displaced), so damage to the body is the result of force (over time/duration). They would not be incinerated by any stretch of the imagination. The bodies would first be compressed (at roughly 5,000 psi) then torn apart as the non-compressible matter (blood/water) is rapidly displaced.

It is 'possible' that some major bone structures could survive that (and teeth), but that is about all. It is isn't reasonable to expect that any significant 'remains' exist to recover.

Sadly all were lost, and to make matters worse....it is being reported that 'Suleman Dawood' (19 year old Son of billionaire Dawood) didn't want to go....but finally submitted when asked to do it for Father's Day.



I'm not thinking the body 'self igniting' but the body surrounded by the explosively-compressed air - that air had to have gotten super hot being instantly compressed ! pv=nrt !


I believe the air gets displaced more than compressed.


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Re: Tourist Sub Missing [Re: oldoak2000] #8872801 06/24/23 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by oldoak2000
Originally Posted by flintknapper
Originally Posted by oldoak2000
Just think - the compression ratio (of air) in a diesel engine is about 20:1 - and enough to 'ignite' the fuel.
This thing imploding a couple miles down would be about a 400:1 compression ratio !! eek2
- that much instantaneous energy would have incinerated any contents/bodies in a flash - nothing to recover but ashes!


^^^^^

Not really. Yes, both matter and energy are compressed but there are initial and secondary shock waves in under water implosions. One is the energy/air being compressed, the other is the water rushing in and rebounding. All of this happening in less than a second.

Remember that the adult human body is about 60% water (non compressible but can be displaced), so damage to the body is the result of force (over time/duration). They would not be incinerated by any stretch of the imagination. The bodies would first be compressed (at roughly 5,000 psi) then torn apart as the non-compressible matter (blood/water) is rapidly displaced.

It is 'possible' that some major bone structures could survive that (and teeth), but that is about all. It is isn't reasonable to expect that any significant 'remains' exist to recover.

Sadly all were lost, and to make matters worse....it is being reported that 'Suleman Dawood' (19 year old Son of billionaire Dawood) didn't want to go....but finally submitted when asked to do it for Father's Day.



I'm not thinking the body 'self igniting' but the body surrounded by the explosively-compressed air - that air had to have gotten super hot being instantly compressed ! pv=nrt !


It does get hot.....but you've not factored in that this effect happens over 'time' (or duration). It isn't present long enough to 'incinerate' a human body. Then cavitation takes place (the energy disperses, not concentrates) and the water column collapses (second energy impulse).

So...while heat is certainly generated....it isn't present long enough to be the prime destructive factor. Pressure impulses (the implosion itself) is the destructive force and it happens very quickly. The same way in Explosion has velocity, so too does an Implosion.


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instantaneous. Never knew what happened


Correct.


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Originally Posted by TurkeyHunter
Originally Posted by oldoak2000
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Originally Posted by oldoak2000
Just think - the compression ratio (of air) in a diesel engine is about 20:1 - and enough to 'ignite' the fuel.
This thing imploding a couple miles down would be about a 400:1 compression ratio !! eek2
- that much instantaneous energy would have incinerated any contents/bodies in a flash - nothing to recover but ashes!


^^^^^

Not really. Yes, both matter and energy are compressed but there are initial and secondary shock waves in under water implosions. One is the energy/air being compressed, the other is the water rushing in and rebounding. All of this happening in less than a second.

Remember that the adult human body is about 60% water (non compressible but can be displaced), so damage to the body is the result of force (over time/duration). They would not be incinerated by any stretch of the imagination. The bodies would first be compressed (at roughly 5,000 psi) then torn apart as the non-compressible matter (blood/water) is rapidly displaced.

It is 'possible' that some major bone structures could survive that (and teeth), but that is about all. It is isn't reasonable to expect that any significant 'remains' exist to recover.

Sadly all were lost, and to make matters worse....it is being reported that 'Suleman Dawood' (19 year old Son of billionaire Dawood) didn't want to go....but finally submitted when asked to do it for Father's Day.



I'm not thinking the body 'self igniting' but the body surrounded by the explosively-compressed air - that air had to have gotten super hot being instantly compressed ! pv=nrt !


I believe the air gets displaced more than compressed.



Both. Air is compressible so it certainly gets compressed under the sudden force of roughly 5,000 psi (or more) but it is only for a fraction of a second THEN as you alluded, becomes displaced/dispersed, which is what causes the cavitation. The cavitation then collapses under the pressure of the water column.


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Originally Posted by flintknapper
It does get hot.....but you've not factored in that this effect happens over 'time' (or duration). It isn't present long enough to 'incinerate' a human body. Then cavitation takes place (the energy disperses, not concentrates) and the water column collapses (second energy impulse).

So...while heat is certainly generated....it isn't present long enough to be the prime destructive factor. Pressure impulses (the implosion itself) is the destructive force and it happens very quickly. The same way in Explosion has velocity, so too does an Implosion.


Yeah, I guess the duration is so short, the 'motion' physics vastly supersedes the 'heat' physics - the same way as on a paper-patched-bullet when fired in a rifle-cartridge, the paper doesn't burn!

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