The Michael Irvin saga got me thinking about this!

Hypothetically let’s say a lot of BS things have been going on with you and some co-workers, friends or other people you know that has gotten way out of control.
Lies and rumors were spread by certain people to cover their own azz from either illegal, immoral, or other BS things that they have done or said.

To what extent would you go to set the record straight?
What about everyone involved taking a lie detector test, would you?

I would be willing to pay for the other parties lie detector test if I did not pass and they did contingent upon that they would do the same.
The results made public to everyone who had knowledge of the BS.

Not sure how much a lie detector test cost, let’s say $500.00 each.
Lets say that there were hypothetically 3 other people that I had a disagreement with and I did not pass and they did, I would be out $2,000. ( $1,500 for their test and $500 for mine).
If they lost, they would only be out $500.00 each plus 1/3 of the cost of mine $166.67 total $666.67.

I would do that with anybody anytime, what about you?

BP I am adjusting my number on fights to no less than 25

Conflict Resolution multiple choice, up to 2 choices
	Yes I would Take The Lie Detector Test, I have nothing to hide.
	No I would not take the Lie Detector Test because I am guilty of being a POSof spreading lies and rumors.
	No I would take a Lie Detector test because I am a nervous Nellie and they are not reliable
	Not Sure?
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Lie detector tests are not reliable. I wouldn’t use them for anything, and I can’t believe anyone still does.

Agreed. Borderline junk science IMO. They are based on the assumption that physiological responses are linked to lying, which is not always the case. Some people are just sweaty and nervous for innocent reasons.... Like when BigFitz, Judd and BigPig are all in the same room at the same time.

DHS/ICE uses polygraph tests on all ICE Special Agent applicants and, while not perfect, they catch a lot of bad folks. You'd be surprised at some of the admissions.

Id pay money for a lawyer if it got to that point, for a polygraph no way. Too unreliable and based on the test administrators judgment.

No I wouldn’t trust them or the proctor

My problem is when people believe their own lies and those lies become their “truth”

How does a lie detector work when someone thinks they are telling the truth, and they are just wrong?

Been involved in two separate issues with people where this was the case, and both have caused pretty large personal issues and cost me hundreds of thousands of dollars

They are a confession tool and nothing more. They absolutely do not work for detecting deception. Kinesics is much more accurate.

I’d love to hook one up to my old business partner and live stream it on fb

Sounds like high school nonsense. Take the high road right on out of there.

same person that invented the lie detector invented Wonder Woman. Enough said, like others have said, it’s nothing more than a confession tool. There is a reason why they’re not allowed in court.

A lie detector test is based off questions where the answer is already known. It’s not for finding truth, it for finding dishonest people that are lying.

If they are unreliable, how does Tournament fishing get by with them?

People who don’t know anything about them apparently. I have decades of experience with them. They are worthless other than a tool to get people to confess who believe they accurately show deception.

It’s only a lie if you believe it.

George Costanza.

And there are cheaters who have passed them...

A big NOPE for me.

If you pass, they say they`re not reliable.
If you fail, you say they`re not reliable.
I`ve seen guilty people pass them and innocent people fail them.
Not admissible in a court of law.

It`s just a tool for police to try and convict you, when you fail. If you pass one, they're still not going to believe you until they get evidence that proves your innocence. I`ll guarantee you that there are people in prison who passed one.

At a consulting gig that I worked at we were subject to polygraph test. My experience with the test is that whoever is paying for the test gets the answers that they want from the operator of the equipment.

I'm as honest as the day is long, lie detector tests may or may not be reliable, but I'm not going to go through any of that BS. If there were that much BS going on with friends/family, I'm telling the truth. If you don't believe me, go pound sand. I don't have time for that crap.

I’ll add a bit more to this from personal experience. When hiring in with the PD, we had to go to a lie detector ran by a 3rd party. Like I said they already know the answers and just want to see if you’re honest. The administrator asked me a simple question, “is any of your family or extended family currently incarcerated?” This is a very open ended question as I don’t keep up with every single extended family member. I said no. I got it wrong. It was reported back to the PD that I was being untruthful.

So how am I supposed to know those answers?

That's when the adjudication takes place. Polygraphers just administer and analyze the test.

Many years ago a company I worked for had a significant amount of money go missing. The required all of the staff to take lie detector tests administered by a couple of PIs in the area. We all showed and passed, except for one guy who confessed to taking a few office supplies worth prob less than $30. He ultimately reimbursed company for the supplies and the larger crime went unsolved. A few months later that same guy got another job and resigned, and later bragged to another coworker about how he had gotten away with the much bigger theft and fooling the box.

Seems to me they are junk science...

I have only taken one, when I was the night manager at the Dallas Gentlemen's club on NW Hwy. Supposedly me or the asst mngr did not lock the safe and the cleaning crew reported it open the next morning.
After the asst. mngr and I counted the bar tenders money drawers I locked the money up in the safe after closing. I left first and the asst mngr stayed and drank with some people.
I am not accusing the asst. mngr for I had other employees say that has mysteriously happened before.

I suggested to the Owners Randy and Brent Dumas that they get everyone with access to the safe to take a Polygraph and I volunteered to go first.
I obviously passed but there were some indiscretions on a few decisions I made that surfaced.

Question was something to the effect if I had ever taken any of the bars money and not turned it in. I said yes on two or three occasions when the bar tenders money drawers were higher than the sales receipt I would give it to certain loyal patrons the next night to tip the girls with, I never kept one single dollar for myself. Yes I know it was wrong but those gals were starving to death in there during December and January.

The other incident I was involved in with a lie detector test that was an obvious fail was when I had a pistol stolen from inside my house. I had my pest inspector inside and as usual I follow him around the house. Then the door bell rang and it was his partner that needed the gate unlocked. During that time the guy inside swiped my pistol. Next day when I realized it was gone I called the police and filed the report listing him as the suspect. He was the owners son and the owner became a huge piece of [censored] despite the detective letting me know this is the 3rd theft that the son has been named in. Fast forward a few weeks and I get a lie detector test result from the owner showing his son “passed.”

A few months later the son was arrested in a dope house with my gun. Shocking

Instances like this are why I would never, FN ever, take one. Especially if I were being accused of a crime. Talk to my lawyer is all they would get.