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 Re: AR Recommendations
[Re: coachwhite34]
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01/28/23 03:20 PM
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Short barrel will add $200 tax stamp and a year wait, maybe longer with this brace registration goin on. I’d consider a Tavor X95 instead of a short barreled AR.
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Re: AR Recommendations
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01/28/23 03:29 PM
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You’re right. I forgot that part. How much does a good red dot optic cost? That’s something I haven’t shopped for.
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Re: AR Recommendations
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01/28/23 03:35 PM
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Most don’t look past the markings on the lower. They have no idea what upper or internals are inside.
But yes does not sound like this guy wants to build one.
I would recommend the organization just go w 16 inch rifles and spend the extra money on equipping the rifle.
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Re: AR Recommendations
[Re: coachwhite34]
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01/28/23 03:39 PM
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I changed my above answer to: Ask your Sheriff. He is the only LAW Enforcement in your county.
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Re: AR Recommendations
[Re: coachwhite34]
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01/28/23 04:45 PM
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coachwhite34, thanks for what you are doing. Do you know what AR15s your local LEO organizations allow for duty use?
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Re: AR Recommendations
[Re: coachwhite34]
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01/28/23 05:01 PM
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OP,
I’m not sure what your rules are but I would stick with a factory built rifle. I purposely spec’d my first choice earlier because of it premium parts to include and upgraded trigger from the factory. You don’t have to add a thing or wish you had to upgrade. Your budget isn’t going to cover a built out gun. I would stay 16” to save the money of the trust and stamp, getting you into a next tier gun. I would also consider accuracy as you are responsible for every round. A bubba a booger picker ar might not shoot as tight. Get the gun right then accessory’s come next. I built my work gun for the same reason and I have watched 80 others do the same.
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Re: AR Recommendations
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01/28/23 05:16 PM
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Nope, from a strict liability standpoint, use a factory rifle for sure. My guess is the schools liability Insurance won’t cover you should you use other than a factory rifle
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Re: AR Recommendations
[Re: coachwhite34]
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01/28/23 05:37 PM
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My bet is the school will issue a list of standards that'll include a few makers of both rifles and ammo to choose from
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Re: AR Recommendations
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01/28/23 05:44 PM
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My bet is the school will issue a list of standards that'll include a few makers of both rifles and ammo to choose from
Doubtful
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Re: AR Recommendations
[Re: coachwhite34]
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01/28/23 06:58 PM
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You guys keep mentioning Wilson Combat. Please show me their $1200-$1500 rifle. Great rifles but they are over budget.
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Re: AR Recommendations
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01/28/23 07:29 PM
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You just confirmed what I said. An upper is not a complete rifle. I have to build or buy a cheap lower. He is better off with a complete rifle like Sig or FN.
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Re: AR Recommendations
[Re: scottfromdallas]
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01/28/23 07:36 PM
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You just confirmed what I said. An upper is not a complete rifle. I have to build or buy a cheap lower. He is better off with a complete rifle like Sig or FN. Yes I'm very aware a complete upper is not a rifle. But giving him good options within his budget.
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Re: AR Recommendations
[Re: coachwhite34]
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01/28/23 09:39 PM
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I took the SBR statement to mean there would be one around, not that OP wanted one for his use. I would not be interested in firing a SBR inside. I would not want to deal with anyone who was also inside after I fired the SBR inside. Has anyone reading this fired a SBR inside a classroom sized enclosed space without hearing protection? How'd that go? Even if you're working at a school for the deaf, I don't think SBR is part of the discussion considering the tax stamp. A 16" AR with the stock collapsed is shorter than a yardstick. Go through the motions of doing the things you imagine you would do with the SBR with the yard stick. Yeah, the carbine is just fine. Also don't understand the need for a magnifier inside a school. Will y'all take training classes? This whole thing is starting to sound screwy. Maybe y'all should look at K-9s instead. https://k9s4cops.org/
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Re: AR Recommendations
[Re: coachwhite34]
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01/28/23 09:56 PM
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$1800 is not a lot for optic and gun. Wilson combat is out with that budget but would be a fine rifle. The AR is basically 3 components that matter. The barrel the trigger and the optic. Your optic should cost almost as much as your gun.
Quality components last a lifetime and are well worth the money. That being said you can buy a full AR or you can purchase a complete upper and then put together your lower. The only negative I see to buying a complete build is that you have to spend extra money to customize your stock, grip and most importantly your trigger.
If it were me I would go ahead and spend the money on a geiselle trigger and then build your lower around that. Then buy a quality upper. That way you can customize it to fit you and your needs perfectly.
Next choose a caliber. 223 wylde is a good choice for barrel if you decide to go with a 556/223 setup.
Lots of optics but I recommend a 1-8 or 1-10 which is very versatile and will hit targets at 400 yards with ease compared to a 1X red dot which only gives you about a 150 yard range.
Good luck and lets see it when you are done/
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Re: AR Recommendations
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01/28/23 10:20 PM
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The whole "you aren't an armorer" is primo fuddlore. It's not like he's making an 80% lower with misaligned pin holes and poor sear engagement. If it was my pick, I'd build on an 11.5-13.7 upper receiver. Short enough to be a little handier, while still staying above the 2400fps threshold for cavitation. Something like the Aero 12.5 would be a solid budget choice, and you can bump up to BCM, SOLGW, etc if you want a little more premium materials. https://www.primaryarms.com/aero-precision-m4e1-threaded-barrel-upper-556-carbine-atlas-r-one-12.5 The other advantage of the 13.7 is that with a pinned/welded muzzle device you can save the $200 and trouble of registering it with the ATF. So that $200 can go towards a solid optic/magnifier setup like an Eotech and G33 with a good flip to side mount. The Holosun setup is a decent budget alternative to that and will save around $500. Why go with a shorter barrel and pinned/welded muzzle device instead of a 16 inch barrel without a muzzle device? Same length and get another inch plus of barrel without extending the OAL I would never forego a muzzle device. Even something like an A2 does much to mitigate recoil and flash over a bare muzzle. So even something like the 13.7, a bastard length, would give you significant advantages shooting indoors and at a threat.
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Re: AR Recommendations
[Re: coachwhite34]
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01/28/23 11:24 PM
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13.7 pinned and welded? another goofy garage hack. by the time you had that done you might as well paid for the tax stamp. This is a goofy idea. There is no advantage to this. Save your money. If you want a short barrel, go all out. Form 1 a receiver and buy a can to go with it. My preference is 10.5” barrels suppressed. A 16” or 18” barrel with a can is not ideal for me. There has been lots of quality brands mentioned. Pick a complete one with a 16” barrel in your budget. If you’re going to stake your life as well as the lives of others don’t skimp. Of all mentioned I’d probably go BCM with a red dot or keep it basic with just iron sights. I have multiple budget ARs that I assembled myself. They are used for hunting and fun. They have run well with no hiccups but if I was to have to defend myself they would not be the ones I would grab out of the safe. I have one I spent the money on with good quality parts specifically for that purpose if it arises. I’m a firm believer of you get what you pay for. Unless you’re training for the scenario the sound of a muzzle blast inside of the building is going to be the last of your worries. In real life I don’t see anyone stopping and taking the time to put in ear pro. No matter the length of the barrels shooting indoors is not going to be pleasant.
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Re: AR Recommendations
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01/29/23 12:15 AM
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13.7 pinned and welded? another goofy garage hack. by the time you had that done you might as well paid for the tax stamp. This is a goofy idea. There is no advantage to this. Save your money. If you want a short barrel, go all out. Form 1 a receiver and buy a can to go with it. My preference is 10.5” barrels suppressed. A 16” or 18” barrel with a can is not ideal for me. There has been lots of quality brands mentioned. Pick a complete one with a 16” barrel in your budget. If you’re going to stake your life as well as the lives of others don’t skimp. Of all mentioned I’d probably go BCM with a red dot or keep it basic with just iron sights. I have multiple budget ARs that I assembled myself. They are used for hunting and fun. They have run well with no hiccups but if I was to have to defend myself they would not be the ones I would grab out of the safe. I have one I spent the money on with good quality parts specifically for that purpose if it arises. I’m a firm believer of you get what you pay for. Unless you’re training for the scenario the sound of a muzzle blast inside of the building is going to be the last of your worries. In real life I don’t see anyone stopping and taking the time to put in ear pro. No matter the length of the barrels shooting indoors is not going to be pleasant. I mean there are plenty of factory p&w uppers that don't cost any more, but okay. And suggesting a suppressed gun but ignoring the advantage of a 13.7? I just don't get it. I think on a budget of $1800 a suppressor is just not in the cards. I agree that it makes such a difference when shooting indoors that it should be a necessity, but a two stamper takes out at least $1k of the budget right there.
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Re: AR Recommendations
[Re: coachwhite34]
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01/29/23 01:05 AM
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I didn’t actually suggest a suppressor. I said if you’re going to go with a barrel less than 16” you might as well go all out and two stamp it. So i actually suggested getting a 16” complete rifle.
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Re: AR Recommendations
[Re: coachwhite34]
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When all this was being discussed, it did not occur to me that the rifle, if ever fired, would be fired indoors. Personally, I haven’t ever cranked off a round within 4 walls and a roof, but I have in 3 walls and a roof. I couldn’t hear anything at all for 10 or 15 minutes. I thought my hearing was gone. With that in mind, I might lean toward a short barrel and a suppressor.
Some of you guys have been in tight places with automatic weapons.
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Re: AR Recommendations
[Re: coachwhite34]
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01/29/23 02:28 AM
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Thanks again, I was a little misleading, when I said short barrel, I meant a 16 inch barrel, that's short to me. I can go a little higher on cost if I need to but all that said there are some great recommendations and I will look into all of them.
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Re: AR Recommendations
[Re: coachwhite34]
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01/29/23 02:31 AM
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Please let us know what you decide to go with. Too much ‘energetic’ discussion on this topic for you to leave us in the dark.
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Re: AR Recommendations
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01/29/23 02:36 AM
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Re: AR Recommendations
[Re: coachwhite34]
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01/29/23 03:39 AM
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If you decide to go with a less expensive carbine, to be able to afford a suppressor, toss the buffer retainer at least. Use the savings to upgrade to a more reliable than mil-spec trigger like KE Arms.
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