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Re: Pistol Brace Ban [Re: erathar] #8780605 01/14/23 10:00 PM
Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 3,435 T TLew Veteran Tracker
TLew Veteran Tracker T Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 3,435	Originally Posted by erathar Originally Posted by TLew Think of the implications: 5-10 million affected rifles Most won't rebarrel and will be enticed by the free tax stamp Submit form 1, ATF is creating a better registry Lower is SBR'd, now it can no longer be part of a private party sale The gun goes back to the government if the individual dies or 21 years after the settlor dies It's a long game, but not that much of a conspiracy Where is the 21 year rule? May be different but is outlined in how your trust was created. Doesn’t matter though — you can’t Form 1 it on a trust unless it was in the schedule previously Quote For trust applicants, ATF will perform a thorough review of the trust documents provided with the eForm 1 application to ensure the firearm sought to be registered to the trust was property possessed by the trust prior to the date the final rule is published in the Federal Register. Therefore, an eForm 1 application to register a firearm equipped with a “stabilizing brace” to a trust will be disapproved if the applicant fails to demonstrate the trust possessed the firearmprior to the date the final rule is published Federal Register.

Re: Pistol Brace Ban [Re: scot] #8780689 01/14/23 11:59 PM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 5,663 C.C., TX E erathar THF Trophy Hunter
erathar THF Trophy Hunter E Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 5,663 C.C., TX	How would the trust possess the stabilizing brace before when it was not required to have a stamp?

Re: Pistol Brace Ban [Re: erathar] #8780759 01/15/23 02:04 AM
Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 5,275 DFW J jeepercreeper THF Trophy Hunter
jeepercreeper THF Trophy Hunter J Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 5,275 DFW	Originally Posted by erathar How would the trust possess the stabilizing brace before when it was not required to have a stamp? Trust can possess anything you want. You can assign toe lint to your trust if you want.

Re: Pistol Brace Ban [Re: scot] #8780840 01/15/23 04:31 AM
Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 3,435 T TLew Veteran Tracker
TLew Veteran Tracker T Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 3,435	Final rule isn’t officially published, so you could add to your schedule a now and then get it notarized before finalization.

Re: Pistol Brace Ban [Re: scot] #8780894 01/15/23 11:28 AM
Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 7,053 Cooke County, Texas GasGuzzler THF Trophy Hunter
GasGuzzler THF Trophy Hunter Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 7,053 Cooke County, Texas	Originally Posted by Big Sam This has NOTHING to do with pistol braces. When I was younger the mantra was the evil of "Saturday night specials". The enemy always goes after low hanging fruit. If it's not one thing then its the next thing. They attack where they think we are the weakest... which is where the NFA and GCA68 came from. It's where the bump stock ban came from. Last year it was assault rifles. Right now it's pistol braces. Remember when free speech was free? Many successful attacks later we do not have free speech. We are, or were, a constitutional republic. It is being dismantled piece by piece and most people are too self absorbed to notice. This has NOTHING to do with pistol braces. It is just low hanging fruit right now. The first rule of war is to know your enemy. This Pass the gravy.

Re: Pistol Brace Ban [Re: scot] #8781058 01/15/23 06:10 PM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 11,658 G GusWayne THF Celebrity
GusWayne THF Celebrity G Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 11,658

Re: Pistol Brace Ban [Re: GusWayne] #8781078 01/15/23 06:51 PM
Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 5,275 DFW J jeepercreeper THF Trophy Hunter
jeepercreeper THF Trophy Hunter J Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 5,275 DFW	Originally Posted by GusWayne I have to wonder. Are there really any disabled vets that are using braces or if its just a card being pulled. Im all for gun rights, rights for those that are disabled, but lets be real…..the millions of braces out there are not being used by folks that actually need them which is sad.

Re: Pistol Brace Ban [Re: scot] #8781086 01/15/23 07:12 PM
Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,057 New Braunfels H HicksHunter Veteran Tracker
HicksHunter Veteran Tracker H Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,057 New Braunfels	There are of course a few. But braces have become one big game of "I'm not touching you" with the ATF.

Re: Pistol Brace Ban [Re: jeepercreeper] #8781102 01/15/23 07:31 PM
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 41,256 Wolfe City, TX J.G. THF Celebrity
J.G. THF Celebrity Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 41,256 Wolfe City, TX	Originally Posted by jeepercreeper I have to wonder. Are there really any disabled vets that are using braces or if its just a card being pulled. Im all for gun rights, rights for those that are disabled, but lets be real…..the millions of braces out there are not being used by folks that actually need them which is sad. I gather, you are a big fan of the NFA act, in its' entirely. 800 Yard Steel Range Precision Rifle Instruction Memberships and Classes Available

Re: Pistol Brace Ban [Re: jeepercreeper] #8781122 01/15/23 08:14 PM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 11,658 G GusWayne THF Celebrity
GusWayne THF Celebrity G Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 11,658	Originally Posted by jeepercreeper Originally Posted by GusWayne I have to wonder. Are there really any disabled vets that are using braces or if its just a card being pulled. Im all for gun rights, rights for those that are disabled, but lets be real…..the millions of braces out there are not being used by folks that actually need them which is sad. That’s a valid question. I too have a valid question…why was it legal for a decade and now about to be illegal? I don’t own one, never have but I am an opponent of new stupid laws, always have been.

Re: Pistol Brace Ban [Re: scot] #8781126 01/15/23 08:24 PM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 11,658 G GusWayne THF Celebrity
GusWayne THF Celebrity G Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 11,658	The ATF is nothing more than a political arm of whoever has current majority. I said it. Now, saying that I hope Crenshaw fixes this bs because he now has majority.

Re: Pistol Brace Ban [Re: GusWayne] #8781130 01/15/23 08:27 PM
Joined: Jun 2015 Posts: 5,185 Allen, TX S scottfromdallas THF Trophy Hunter
scottfromdallas THF Trophy Hunter S Joined: Jun 2015 Posts: 5,185 Allen, TX	Originally Posted by GusWayne The ATF is nothing more than a political arm of whoever has current majority. I said it. Now, saying that I hope Crenshaw fixes this bs because he now has majority. I wouldn’t put any faith in eyepatch McCain.

Re: Pistol Brace Ban [Re: scottfromdallas] #8781134 01/15/23 08:36 PM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 11,658 G GusWayne THF Celebrity
GusWayne THF Celebrity G Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 11,658	Originally Posted by scottfromdallas Originally Posted by GusWayne The ATF is nothing more than a political arm of whoever has current majority. I said it. Now, saying that I hope Crenshaw fixes this bs because he now has majority. I wouldn’t put any faith in eyepatch McCain. He likes votes too Yesterday he posted an Instagram video or him shooting at a gun range and the comments were 99% people riding his azz about the new pistol brace ban. And that’s what made him make that latest posts. His voters are against it and it was overwhelming against it. He saw them…

Re: Pistol Brace Ban [Re: GusWayne] #8781136 01/15/23 08:39 PM
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 41,256 Wolfe City, TX J.G. THF Celebrity
J.G. THF Celebrity Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 41,256 Wolfe City, TX	What crimes is this going to prevent? None. 800 Yard Steel Range Precision Rifle Instruction Memberships and Classes Available

Re: Pistol Brace Ban [Re: J.G.] #8781183 01/15/23 10:26 PM
Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 65,571 Over yonder..... S SnakeWrangler THF Celebrity
SnakeWrangler THF Celebrity S Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 65,571 Over yonder.....	Originally Posted by J.G. What crimes is this going to prevent? None. What crimes is it going to create….few million…. Originally Posted by Sneaky I believe in science and I’m an insufferable [censored] Originally Posted by beaversnipe Actually, BBC is pretty damn good "You Cannot Simultaneously Be Politically Correct And Intellectually Honest!"

Re: Pistol Brace Ban [Re: GusWayne] #8781194 01/15/23 10:49 PM
Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 19,351 Wylie, TX J Judd #1 Creedmoor Fan
Judd #1 Creedmoor Fan J Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 19,351 Wylie, TX	Originally Posted by GusWayne Originally Posted by scottfromdallas Originally Posted by GusWayne The ATF is nothing more than a political arm of whoever has current majority. I said it. Now, saying that I hope Crenshaw fixes this bs because he now has majority. I wouldn’t put any faith in eyepatch McCain. He likes votes too Yesterday he posted an Instagram video or him shooting at a gun range and the comments were 99% people riding his azz about the new pistol brace ban. And that’s what made him make that latest posts. His voters are against it and it was overwhelming against it. He saw them… Very few of Benedict Crenshaw’s voters wanted him to send money to Ukraine…he’s there for Danny, you’re [censored] yourself if you think otherwise. But sit back and watch his croanies net worth grow at the expense of the American people. He’s a wolf in sheeps clothing. There are a lot of Republicans in on this entire take and it doesn’t take a whole lot of paying attention to see it. Originally Posted by Phil Robertson Don't let your ears hear what your eyes didn't see, and don't let your mouth say what your heart doesn't feel

Re: Pistol Brace Ban [Re: scot] #8781209 01/15/23 11:11 PM
Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,355 Abilene R RJH1 Pro Tracker
RJH1 Pro Tracker R Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,355 Abilene	I aM aLL fOr GuN rIGhTs bUt.......

Re: Pistol Brace Ban [Re: jeepercreeper] #8781232 01/15/23 11:56 PM
Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 3,570 Ft. Worth G garyrapp55 Extreme Tracker
garyrapp55 Extreme Tracker G Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 3,570 Ft. Worth	Originally Posted by jeepercreeper I have to wonder. Are there really any disabled vets that are using braces or if it’s just a card being pulled. Im all for gun rights, rights for those that are disabled, but lets be real…..the millions of braces out there are not being used by folks that actually need them which is sad.

Re: Pistol Brace Ban [Re: GusWayne] #8781270 01/16/23 01:09 AM
Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 6,195 Lubbock T Tactical Cowboy THF Trophy Hunter
Tactical Cowboy THF Trophy Hunter T Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 6,195 Lubbock	Originally Posted by GusWayne The ATF is nothing more than a political arm of whoever has current majority. I said it. Now, saying that I hope Crenshaw fixes this bs because he now has majority. I’m sooooo happy we had bump stocks banned under Trump… otherwise it would be a travesty. The secret to a long life is to try not to shorten it.

Re: Pistol Brace Ban [Re: Big Sam] #8781446 01/16/23 01:17 PM
Joined: Apr 2019 Posts: 1,117 Texas Wilson Combat Boar Meister
Wilson Combat Boar Meister Joined: Apr 2019 Posts: 1,117 Texas	Originally Posted by Big Sam This has NOTHING to do with pistol braces. When I was younger the mantra was the evil of "Saturday night specials". The enemy always goes after low hanging fruit. If it's not one thing then its the next thing. They attack where they think we are the weakest... which is where the NFA and GCA68 came from. It's where the bump stock ban came from. Last year it was assault rifles. Right now it's pistol braces. Remember when free speech was free? Many successful attacks later we do not have free speech. We are, or were, a constitutional republic. It is being dismantled piece by piece and most people are too self absorbed to notice. This has NOTHING to do with pistol braces. It is just low hanging fruit right now. The first rule of war is to know your enemy. +1 www.wilsoncombat.com

Re: Pistol Brace Ban [Re: scottfromdallas] #8781447 01/16/23 01:18 PM
Joined: Apr 2019 Posts: 1,117 Texas Wilson Combat Boar Meister
Wilson Combat Boar Meister Joined: Apr 2019 Posts: 1,117 Texas	Originally Posted by scottfromdallas Originally Posted by GusWayne The ATF is nothing more than a political arm of whoever has current majority. I said it. Now, saying that I hope Crenshaw fixes this bs because he now has majority. I wouldn’t put any faith in eyepatch McCain. +1 www.wilsoncombat.com

Re: Pistol Brace Ban [Re: Tactical Cowboy] #8781452 01/16/23 01:34 PM
Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 5,275 DFW J jeepercreeper THF Trophy Hunter
jeepercreeper THF Trophy Hunter J Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 5,275 DFW	Originally Posted by Tactical Cowboy Originally Posted by GusWayne The ATF is nothing more than a political arm of whoever has current majority. I said it. Now, saying that I hope Crenshaw fixes this bs because he now has majority. I’m sooooo happy we had bump stocks banned under Trump… otherwise it would be a travesty. Funny how many ppl forget that they were banned under Trump. Neither party cares about your gun rights. There just happens to be one party that placates to gun owners for their votes.

Re: Pistol Brace Ban [Re: scot] #8781522 01/16/23 02:56 PM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 401 DFW D domn8r Bird Dog
domn8r Bird Dog D Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 401 DFW	I mean for all of us guys who paid and waited for SBR stamps back in the day, you can't tell me you didn't see this coming. The first time I saw a brace, I knew it was going to be problematic, didn't think it would take this long. My original AR pistol is just a buffer tube with foam on it, functionally, it's unwieldy and dumb, and it was more of a novelty. Now, I'm thinking it's a good dime to get a free Tax Stamp for it and slap a true stock on it... this is possible right?

Re: Pistol Brace Ban [Re: domn8r] #8781524 01/16/23 02:57 PM
Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 9,897 Prosper, TX The Dude Abides THF Trophy Hunter
The Dude Abides THF Trophy Hunter Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 9,897 Prosper, TX	Originally Posted by domn8r I mean for all of us guys who paid and waited for SBR stamps back in the day, you can't tell me you didn't see this coming. The first time I saw a brace, I knew it was going to be problematic, didn't think it would take this long. My original AR pistol is just a buffer tube with foam on it, functionally, it's unwieldy and dumb, and it was more of a novelty. Now, I'm thinking it's a good dime to get a free Tax Stamp for it and slap a true stock on it... this is possible right? Yep! Originally Posted by Superduty I am still looking for the perfect apron, one with reinforced knee areas would be perfect.

Re: Pistol Brace Ban [Re: scot] #8781541 01/16/23 03:40 PM
Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 5,275 DFW J jeepercreeper THF Trophy Hunter
jeepercreeper THF Trophy Hunter J Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 5,275 DFW	This is what we’re dealing with

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