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Re: Uvalde update
[Re: majekman]
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07/14/22 04:18 AM
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After finally seeing some video....only one word comes to mind Cowards. It’s really that simple. There may have been some cowardice involved but another factor was that the Chief of Police had pretty much issued a stand down order in that he thought (in error) that the situation was a 'Barricaded Subject' situation and not a 'Active Shooter'. Not sure how that idiot came to that conclusion or overlooked what is supposed to be the current approach everywhere (which is IMMEDIATELY engage the shooter and stop the threat) no matter what! Any and every LEO is supposed to do this in an active shooter situation and especially a school shooting. You don't wait for back up. You don't wait for permission. You address the threat as best you can as quickly as you can.
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Re: Uvalde update
[Re: Brother in-law]
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07/14/22 10:40 AM
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those look like some fat azz scared cops. i think they have body armor on but still? dont departments have a fit for duty weight? bad deal fo sure. The failures seen have nothing to do with their weight or physical fitness. Coming from one of the biggest, strongest, and most humble LEO’s in the field. Listen to what this man says.
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Re: Uvalde update
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07/14/22 12:29 PM
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Meanwhile, 5000 people have been killed in car wrecks since this incident and nobody GAF. This whole thing has been nothing but a way for the democrats to legislate more gun control. That's why this is still in the news everyday. Really odd comparison. 16 year olds are handed the keys to automobiles, and they drive them well into their 90's. Yet car wrecks kill many, many times more people per year than firearms do. Democrats do not want to ban cars and trucks, or increase the age to get a driver's license. Gun control has nothing to do with saving lives.
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Re: Uvalde update
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07/14/22 12:47 PM
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Meanwhile, 5000 people have been killed in car wrecks since this incident and nobody GAF. This whole thing has been nothing but a way for the democrats to legislate more gun control. That's why this is still in the news everyday. Really odd comparison. 16 year olds are handed the keys to automobiles, and they drive them well into their 90's. Yet car wrecks kill many, many times more people per year than firearms do. Democrats do not want to ban cars and trucks, or increase the age to get a driver's license. Gun control has nothing to do with saving lives. Yes, Sir. Marc
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Re: Uvalde update
[Re: bigbob_ftw]
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07/14/22 12:56 PM
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Re: Uvalde update
[Re: bigbob_ftw]
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07/14/22 01:01 PM
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I've not had time to watch the video yet but I'm guessing it shows why there was resistance to relasing it?
To be determined
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Re: Uvalde update
[Re: bigbob_ftw]
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07/14/22 03:49 PM
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The car wreck totals brings up a good point. The President of the United States said "we are the only country that has these mass shootings" LOOK ON THE NET. We are tied with England at number 15. France and Finland are ahead of us. While these shootings arouse huge emotions, when grouped with all crime, the numbers shrink dramatically. I don't know what the answer is but this idea of rules on NEW GUN SALES. As I said, have any of these mass shootings occurred from someone THAT JUST BOUGHT the gun? I myself don't know but I thought in most instances the gun had been in a parent's procession, etc. for years. I'm retired. I like the volunteer retired idea. I can sit at McDonald's drinking a cup of coffee and doing crossword puzzles, or do the same thing in a school. THOUSANDS of other retired guys can say the same thing. As long as you are cleared by local police and are under their direction- I don't see the problem. Plenty of man power.
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Re: Uvalde update
[Re: bigbob_ftw]
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07/14/22 04:16 PM
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J.G.
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More people are killed with firearms per year via suicide, not murder.
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Re: Uvalde update
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07/14/22 05:23 PM
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Meanwhile, 5000 people have been killed in car wrecks since this incident and nobody GAF. This whole thing has been nothing but a way for the democrats to legislate more gun control. That's why this is still in the news everyday. Really odd comparison. 16 year olds are handed the keys to automobiles, and they drive them well into their 90's. Yet car wrecks kill many, many times more people per year than firearms do. Democrats do not want to ban cars and trucks, or increase the age to get a driver's license. Gun control has nothing to do with saving lives. Yes, Sir. Marc Intentionality being the difference of the two.
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Re: Uvalde update
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07/14/22 05:38 PM
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Meanwhile, 5000 people have been killed in car wrecks since this incident and nobody GAF. This whole thing has been nothing but a way for the democrats to legislate more gun control. That's why this is still in the news everyday. Really odd comparison. 16 year olds are handed the keys to automobiles, and they drive them well into their 90's. Yet car wrecks kill many, many times more people per year than firearms do. Democrats do not want to ban cars and trucks, or increase the age to get a driver's license. Gun control has nothing to do with saving lives. Yep.
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Re: Uvalde update
[Re: TurkeyHunter]
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07/14/22 06:27 PM
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I've not had time to watch the video yet but I'm guessing it shows why there was resistance to relasing it? The only way it could have looked worse was for one of them to have eaten a sandwich while waiting
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Re: Uvalde update
[Re: bigbob_ftw]
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07/14/22 07:16 PM
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The officer seen on the phone was trying to contact his wife , who was killed.
Can’t imagine not going to my wife’s class first.
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Re: Uvalde update
[Re: Roll-Tide]
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07/14/22 07:44 PM
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The officer seen on the phone was trying to contact his wife , who was killed.
Can’t imagine not going to my wife’s class first. If my wife had been inside that building I’d killed anyone and everyone trying to stop me on my way to get to her, him standing thr trying to call her seems insane to me. I might have been shot and killed but no way in hell I’d sat outside wondering what’s going on. Some have courage, some have no fear and some simply don’t give a chit and I’m the third. Cowards have a warm place in hell reserved as far as I’m concerned,,,,,
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Re: Uvalde update
[Re: Ol Thumper]
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07/14/22 07:57 PM
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The officer seen on the phone was trying to contact his wife , who was killed.
Can’t imagine not going to my wife’s class first. If my wife had been inside that building I’d killed anyone and everyone trying to stop me on my way to get to her, him standing thr trying to call her seems insane to me. I might have been shot and killed but no way in hell I’d sat outside wondering what’s going on. Some have courage, some have no fear and some simply don’t give a chit and I’m the third. Cowards have a warm place in hell reserved as far as I’m concerned,,,,, One officer who's wife was killed was disarmed and detained. I don't know if that is the one in the picture being discussed. https://www.houstonchronicle.com/ne...was-detained-as-he-tried-to-17256559.php“We've got an officer, Officer Ruiz, whose wife called him and said she had been shot and she was dying,” McCraw said. “And what happened to him, is he tried to move forward into the hallway. He was detained, and they took his gun away from him and escorted him off the scene.”
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Re: Uvalde update
[Re: Sniper John]
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07/14/22 08:23 PM
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The Dude Abides
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The officer seen on the phone was trying to contact his wife , who was killed.
Can’t imagine not going to my wife’s class first. If my wife had been inside that building I’d killed anyone and everyone trying to stop me on my way to get to her, him standing thr trying to call her seems insane to me. I might have been shot and killed but no way in hell I’d sat outside wondering what’s going on. Some have courage, some have no fear and some simply don’t give a chit and I’m the third. Cowards have a warm place in hell reserved as far as I’m concerned,,,,, One officer who's wife was killed was disarmed and detained. I don't know if that is the one in the picture being discussed. https://www.houstonchronicle.com/ne...was-detained-as-he-tried-to-17256559.php“We've got an officer, Officer Ruiz, whose wife called him and said she had been shot and she was dying,” McCraw said. “And what happened to him, is he tried to move forward into the hallway. He was detained, and they took his gun away from him and escorted him off the scene.” I think its the officer in the top right corner of the video right around the 3:17 mark, Notice fellow officers do not take their hands off of him.
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Re: Uvalde update
[Re: J.G.]
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07/14/22 08:38 PM
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More people are killed with firearms per year via suicide, not murder. I’ve never thought it made sense for suicide numbers to be included in gun violence statistics.
I just turned it on . I was looking bird dogs in the butt this morning.
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Re: Uvalde update
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07/14/22 08:49 PM
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J.G.
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More people are killed with firearms per year via suicide, not murder. I’ve never thought it made sense for suicide numbers to be included in gun violence statistics. Through Covid-19, the CDC confirmed they are not to be trusted, same as the FBI.
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Re: Uvalde update
[Re: Sniper John]
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07/14/22 10:29 PM
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The officer seen on the phone was trying to contact his wife , who was killed.
Can’t imagine not going to my wife’s class first. If my wife had been inside that building I’d killed anyone and everyone trying to stop me on my way to get to her, him standing thr trying to call her seems insane to me. I might have been shot and killed but no way in hell I’d sat outside wondering what’s going on. Some have courage, some have no fear and some simply don’t give a chit and I’m the third. Cowards have a warm place in hell reserved as far as I’m concerned,,,,, One officer who's wife was killed was disarmed and detained. I don't know if that is the one in the picture being discussed. https://www.houstonchronicle.com/ne...was-detained-as-he-tried-to-17256559.php“We've got an officer, Officer Ruiz, whose wife called him and said she had been shot and she was dying,” McCraw said. “And what happened to him, is he tried to move forward into the hallway. He was detained, and they took his gun away from him and escorted him off the scene.” Disgusting. Those [censored] wouldn't help a man try to save his dying wife and the other kids?
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Re: Uvalde update
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07/14/22 11:57 PM
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The officer seen on the phone was trying to contact his wife , who was killed.
Can’t imagine not going to my wife’s class first. If my wife had been inside that building I’d killed anyone and everyone trying to stop me on my way to get to her, him standing thr trying to call her seems insane to me. I might have been shot and killed but no way in hell I’d sat outside wondering what’s going on. Some have courage, some have no fear and some simply don’t give a chit and I’m the third. Cowards have a warm place in hell reserved as far as I’m concerned,,,,, One officer who's wife was killed was disarmed and detained. I don't know if that is the one in the picture being discussed. https://www.houstonchronicle.com/ne...was-detained-as-he-tried-to-17256559.php“We've got an officer, Officer Ruiz, whose wife called him and said she had been shot and she was dying,” McCraw said. “And what happened to him, is he tried to move forward into the hallway. He was detained, and they took his gun away from him and escorted him off the scene.” Disgusting. Those [censored] wouldn't help a man try to save his dying wife and the other kids? Don’t know if that officer had kids but if not and his wife had been shot, they could have just let him take the lead if they weren’t going to do anything anyways. He had nothing to lose at that point. So many sad stories from this event
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Re: Uvalde update
[Re: The Dude Abides]
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07/15/22 04:43 AM
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Sniper John
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The officer seen on the phone was trying to contact his wife , who was killed.
Can’t imagine not going to my wife’s class first. If my wife had been inside that building I’d killed anyone and everyone trying to stop me on my way to get to her, him standing thr trying to call her seems insane to me. I might have been shot and killed but no way in hell I’d sat outside wondering what’s going on. Some have courage, some have no fear and some simply don’t give a chit and I’m the third. Cowards have a warm place in hell reserved as far as I’m concerned,,,,, One officer who's wife was killed was disarmed and detained. I don't know if that is the one in the picture being discussed. https://www.houstonchronicle.com/ne...was-detained-as-he-tried-to-17256559.php“We've got an officer, Officer Ruiz, whose wife called him and said she had been shot and she was dying,” McCraw said. “And what happened to him, is he tried to move forward into the hallway. He was detained, and they took his gun away from him and escorted him off the scene.” I think its the officer in the top right corner of the video right around the 3:17 mark, Notice fellow officers do not take their hands off of him. It was him per this article. https://policetribune.com/the-uvald...-was-awaiting-message-from-wounded-wife/
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