Sure it can….crossbows are heavy and require more skill and shot selection IE distance, shot angle and noise… not to exclude more money for the equipment….

Just make it a drawn hunt. Most ACOE places are archery or smoothbore shotgun slug only for pigs anyway. Couple that with a draw that gives them the most control over how it’s hunted and what is taken. And a lottery to hunt Tawakoni is gonna generate a lot of money for TPWD

The people that own bordering land don't want no lotto hunt, they like having a refuge to grow the deer they shoot when they jump the fence.

Weird how people on a hunting forum would oppose hunting in any legal form. Biden voters?

The land owners are not hunting corps land. They can do what they want, they won’t let the orange army spoil their assets.

The public ground, ACOE ground, absolutely needs to be a lottery draw

We’re not. At least I’m not. But you can’t just open the floodgates on a honey hole this close to Dallas. It would be a disaster.

Hell I would be perfectly fine with it if you could ONLY hunt the private ground. The landowners have a lot more restraint than Joe public. Coming from someone who has no access to private ground.

You have to ease into this deal

What the hell are you talking about, there is little to no public land for deer hunting in those 4 counties, the biggest portion in Texoma corp land in Grayson county and Hagerman refuge in Grayson also which limits the draw to only around 180 bowhunters a year, all the other corp land in those counties doesn't permit deer hunting.

IMO if you consider the fact the private land in these 2 counties is already lightly hunted and very difficult to lease, the impact isn’t as significant as counties that lease most of the land….

Are you seriously that dense? Most corps lane around the metroplex doesn’t allow deer hunting BECAUSE IT IS MANAGED BY TPWD!

Corps land all over the country allows deer hunting BUT NOT THERE. Because deer were SCARCE for a very long time.

I get you want more opportunities. Well I don’t want to see the opportunities GO STRAIGHT TO [censored]. And they will.

You are forgetting that Dallas is one of the most populous parts of the USA. During peak traffic, the city of Dallas is THE MOST populous city in the United States.

This is a different time and place then it used to be. They take poachers more seriously because if everybody in the metroplex decided to hunt and shot one deer we’d run out of deer long before we got that far.

There’s a reason all the public dove places nearby suck. They get trampled

Make corps land deer hunting a lottery draw and charge at least $25 per entry to make it interesting to serious hunters. Big time Texas Hunts.

If you just want to kill SOMETHING go shoot pigs on Bardwell, Lavon, Tawakoni. You always had that.

Deer attract too many hunters to just open it up.

You have gone way off from the OP. Why are you ranting about not allowing open permit deer hunting or corp land in Collin, Dallas, Grayson and Rockwall counties? The OP is about opening a rifle season in said counties.

Look like they got the local politicians involved, good for Grayson and Collin from letting tpwd paint with a broad brush proclamation opposing the TPWD proposal

I am right on topic. Where is the public access to good deer? And as far as I know, the best of the deer hunting in these areas? On the corps lakes, and only on the corps lakes, specifically Tawakoni and Lavon. The reason there is no deer hunting on these corps lakes is because they are managed my TPWD. This change in law will probably open these areas up to deer hunters. Already good for pigs and ducks, and doves but DEER change everything. People lose their minds on opening day of rifle season, it can get pretty serious pretty quick.

I hunt public. You should see where I hunt on opening day of rifle season. I have literally walked 2 miles through thick brush, crossed two tributaries with about 20’ high mud banks I like to not have made it out of, just to run into more dudes in orange. Thank God rifle season is only ten days here. And I am not near a city close to the size of Dallas.

Worse when I lived in North Carolina. I stopped counting trucks at 20 in one area, I hadn’t walked a mile.

I am all for the public ground and access but so close to Dallas, you have to be careful. Why is the is so hard to grasp?

I’m not worried about the private land or landowners they will not let the orange army in. I am worried how it will effect the corps lakes in the area. They are loaded with good deer, it’s a wasted resource for sure they should be hunted. But I would not just open it up to all walk in deer hunters in those areas or it will be ruined PDQ. It’s too close to a huge urban center, to just let everyone have at it at one time. They need to ease into it.

This is just my opinion, you don’t have to agree.

Edit- if they leave deer hunting the corps lakes off the table that would be almost just as bad

Please post the broad brush TPW painted…. I missed it….

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Work Session Item No. 12
Presenters: Alan Cain
Shawn Gray
Shaun Oldenburger

Work Session
2022-2023 Statewide Hunting and Migratory Game Bird Proclamation
Request Permission to Publish Proposed Changes in the Texas Register
January 26, 2022

I. Executive Summary: With this item, the staff seeks permission to publish proposed amendments to the Statewide Hunting Proclamation and the Migratory Game Bird Proclamation in the Texas Register for public comment. The proposed amendments would:

Deer

Modify proof-of-sex, tagging, and final destination requirements to facilitate chronic wasting disease (CWD) management strategies.
Implement harvest regulations for the take of white-tailed deer in Collin, Dallas, Grayson, and Rockwall counties similar to those in effect in surrounding counties, including take by firearm; require mandatory harvest reporting.
Expand mule deer antler restrictions to additional counties and expand season from 9 days to 16 days in the southwest Panhandle.



Good grief. I apologize. This is what I was able to look up.

There is no “broad brush”. The proposal is basically let TPWD manage the deer there with hunters… makes sense to me. Looks like they haven’t worked out the details.

LOL you obviously aren't from around here, other than Texoma there is no rifle hunting on corp land in North Texas and this rule change would have no effect on Ray Bob, Ray Hubbard or Lavon which currently don't allow deer hunting and still won't. Also the state doesn't control these areas, they aren't even state land, they are federal United States Army Corp of Engineers owned lands.

I was born and raised near Dallas. Balch Springs, Mesquite, and Rowlett.

No deer hunting on the Corps lakes comes straight from TPWD and has nothing to do with the US Army Corps of Engineers. The State of Texas manages the fish and game. I’ve hunted Corps lakes in three states.

You need to do some more homework “Lone Wolf”

Not that long ago there were no deer in these areas. It’s been a long time coming.

The state does not set the rules on the ACE land unless they lease it as a WMA, if its not designated WMA the rules/wildlife management are set by the corp.
FYI meeting is today
Meeting Date: March 9, 2022
Time: Starts at 7:00pm
Location: Grayson College Center for Workplace Learning, CWL Auditorium
6101 Grayson Dr (Hwy 691)
Denison, TX 75020

Why?

I already explained myself on that, read the thread. You don’t have to agree

Could run it like some of the national forests too. Buy permits/tags in person, first come first serve until they run out.

yes, centerfire rifle

eliminate archery and muzzle loader seasons

make all the same

It was an interesting meeting

Well I guess they can leave Grayson county out of it! It looks pretty fishy, doesn’t it?