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Re: 12 years of AR [Re: maximum] #8355312 08/18/21 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by maximum
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Seriously wish they would let kids under 14 kill whatever they want to though,


They should be able to. Anything that walks.
From a white spotter with milk on its chin on
up to a full blown bullwinkle


A kid should also be able to keep 1 redfish under 20" on any given day. Same principle. Fish all day catching nothing or undersized fish, then hook one 18-19"er - kid should be able to take that one home for dinner. That fish was legal in Texas for most of time, and is legal in many states today anyway. But I digress...

Re: 12 years of AR [Re: KennyLee] #8355371 08/18/21 05:00 PM
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The OP's post is not about what the effect of AR's are having where he is hunting, but more about what happens when you have numerous small acreage tracts surrounding you, and everyone is filling tags.
A deer reaches 13" and it is shot, and there is no older age groups older than 3 years old.



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Once i learned that i didn't "NEED" to kill something, and that if i did kill something all the fun stopped and work began, i was a much better hunter.
Re: 12 years of AR [Re: Jimbo] #8355385 08/18/21 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Jimbo
The OP's post is not about what the effect of AR's are having where he is hunting, but more about what happens when you have numerous small acreage tracts surrounding you, and everyone is filling tags.
A deer reaches 13" and it is shot, and there is no older age groups older than 3 years old.


Yep, and if it was anything like where I grew up, segmented land with many people hunting on smaller acreage and no doe harvest allowed, you could drive past an open field and see 50 deer and not a buck in the lot.


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Re: 12 years of AR [Re: KennyLee] #8355609 08/18/21 08:06 PM
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Agree with others - it does not seem to me that the restriction has anything to do with genetics, but simply a reasonable method to allow young bucks to mature to a point they at least approach their potential. Also, the longer a buck survives, the wiser he becomes - avoiding feeders during daylight, laying low when there is a lot of unusual activity, etc. That and a little luck may allow a good buck to survive several more years before opportunity knocks.

In my area of Brown County, even though we've only owned for 6 years, there has been an improvement in mature bucks that I see now, as opposed to when we first purchased. Some of this could be environment as we were just coming out of the drought in 2015, but the doe numbers have remained fairly consistent while the mature buck numbers have improved.


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Re: 12 years of AR [Re: Ol Thumper] #8355630 08/18/21 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Ol Thumper
Seriously wish they would let kids under 14 kill whatever they want to though,



Problem is, how do you know who pulled the trigger?

Re: 12 years of AR [Re: fishdfly] #8355634 08/18/21 08:16 PM
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Seriously wish they would let kids under 14 kill whatever they want to though,



Problem is, how do you know who pulled the trigger?


How do you know who pulls the trigger now?

Re: 12 years of AR [Re: Ol Thumper] #8355638 08/18/21 08:22 PM
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Don't.

Not a fan of the Youth Weekend either..

Re: 12 years of AR [Re: redchevy] #8355906 08/19/21 12:24 AM
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The thing that bothers me on the AR reg is having to sit in the stand and tell a 10 year old he can't shoot a buck that would be a huge trophy for him and his first buck because he's not wide enough. Trying to get a kid hooked on hunting is hard enough nowadays, but when they make 3 or 4 hunts and have to watch nice bucks they can't shoot for their first deer, I don't blame them for not wanting to go back. Just wish there was at least an age exception.

My son got hooked on hunting hogs and small game before ever shooting a deer. If your trying to get a kid hooked on hunting by sitting in a stand for hours waiting on a deer many will lose interest especially under 10 yrs of age.

X2 on what sapper said. I dont personally think kids are too concerned with what they shoot. Shoot a spike, shoot a doe, they will not care. Does are available to shoot in youth season in my AR county.

The reason my son is able to sit in a stand for hours is because he is hooked on hunting from hunting small game, hogs, and such. He's shot doe and hogs, now it's time for a buck. We can hunt all year without seeing a spike. Anyway, I'm just on the side that any kid should be able to shoot a first buck, regardless. But, that's really the only problem I have with the restrictions. I wouldn't shoot a buck under 13 without the reg in place. It's all about the kiddos for me.

Re: 12 years of AR [Re: KennyLee] #8355957 08/19/21 01:31 AM
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AR’s can be a hard thing. There are a lot of factors that play into their success and failure. Being on a small property with even smaller properties around you with owners that want to shoot more deer per acre than their land will support doesn’t help. Definitely get the frustration of trying to get sons and daughters out in the woods and excited about being there.
We are fortunate in our situation and they seem to be working well for us, but like I said we’re blessed with most of the neighbors we have and we put a lot of work into what we have.

Re: 12 years of AR [Re: KennyLee] #8363727 08/26/21 01:16 AM
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The ARs are not the primary reason…small farms and their owners/hunters are. I’ve been on a lease in San Angelo and it was outstanding for the first year, second year the land on the backside and the land across the highway added hunter…by the end of the second year there was nothing left worth shooting and we were not in an AR county. Your blaming ARs when the reality it’s tge hunters around you that aren’t allowing the bucks to mature.

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Try deer hunting and taking your son when you might see 2-3 deer, does a year! That’s the way it was before ARs…I hunted public land for more than 15 years and you were lucky to see a deer much less a buck. Yes, I understand the frustration and yes, there are challenges with ARs but explain to me what would work better. Tags do not work! A landowner who owns 50 acres allows his children and grandchildren to come deer hunt. 4 children and 8 grandchildren and everyone has 1 buck and 1 doe…they all idea the law and kill a buck and doe…how long do you think there will be deer to hunt on his 50 acres and on the land around him?

Re: 12 years of AR [Re: KennyLee] #8363746 08/26/21 01:34 AM
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Kenny, I saw this post a few days ago and waited to reply

Im in Cottondale, raised here

If I recall, your place is near the plateaus

They are working, AR’s work proof is in the pudding

My guess is you have “bad” neighbors

And as many people are moving here, it’s likely

In the past 5 years I’ve saw more 150 class bucks than I ever have in 40 years on this earth

When I say that I mean it.

Re: 12 years of AR [Re: KennyLee] #8363751 08/26/21 01:39 AM
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ARs should have roll back no restrictions every six year


Donate to TX Youth hunting program.... better to donate then to waste it in taxes

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Re: 12 years of AR [Re: KennyLee] #8363776 08/26/21 02:04 AM
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We have a youth weekend, bow season, rifle season etc

I wouldn’t be opposed at all to a under 13 weekend

There are exceptions to every rule no doubt

I’ve saw pics here.

I will say this, some people that aren’t family that I’d do anything for, have a hair trigger on bucks

I mean I just can’t trust them to take mature buck

If you don’t know what I am saying, maybe you’re fortunate

Keep AR’s

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