Key Model Predicts More Than 410,000 Coronavirus Deaths in the U.S. by January

We are approaching 200K now, and with flu season coming, watch out. Not saying you are wrong, just saying it could get interesting.

We are approaching 200K now, and with flu season coming, watch out. Not saying you are wrong, just saying it could get interesting.

If they start counting flu deaths as covid deaths then the accounting would have changed. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if that were to occur.

200k out of 330 million.


About the same amount of people that die each year from minor infections

Purely semantics, but if you die from an infection, it isn't so minor....

But your numbers are off some, we are no where near 330 million infected in the US. No where near that. At most, around 25-30 million. Thats a stretch.

Hindsight is always better. This is like giving a bunch of laymen a bomb and telling them to diffuse it without instructions. Some might get the right combination, others might die. But so far nobody knows exactly what wires need to be disconnected and what the order of disconnect is.

All I know is that there is a big difference between dying with a penny in your pocket vs being killed by a penny. But it seems like anyone dying with a penny in their pocket is being counted as being killed by that penny.

Cochise, your analogy is not worth a penny.

You know a bullet by itself doesn't' kill anyone either, but you put that bullet in your body somewhere and it sure as heck can kill someone.

Lets take your penny, put it in a living body, let it do its thing, and if that person dies without any other cause, why wouldn't the penny be listed as the cause of death?

You are acting like a virus on a tissue paper in someone's pocket is all we are dealing with.

All I know is that there is a big difference between dying with a penny in your pocket vs being killed by a penny. But it seems like anyone dying with a penny in their pocket is being counted as being killed by that penny.

Cochise, your analogy is not worth a penny.

You know a bullet by itself doesn't' kill anyone either, but you put that bullet in your body somewhere and it sure as heck can kill someone.

Lets take your penny, put it in a living body, let it do its thing, and if that person dies without any other cause, why wouldn't the penny be listed as the cause of death?

You are acting like a virus on a tissue paper in someone's pocket is all we are dealing with.

If I have four clogged arteries and I die, was it from the four bacon tacos and honey bum in my gut or a genetic condition of below normal particle size that prone to build up and calcify?

I get what you are getting at but seldom does the virus beat a healthy human.

Buckeye I'll give him a dime for that analogy. Though I've never seen you write anything I'd give a grain of salt for.

Lets call it what it is, nothing more nothing less. But acting like the virus isn't causing people to die is just plain silly....not directed at you BOBO

The way some people on here talk they think no one dies from the flu, HIV, or any other infectious diseases either, because after all, the cause of death is really something else right?

If I have four clogged arteries and I die, was it from the four bacon tacos and honey bum in my gut or a genetic condition of below normal particle size that prone to build up and calcify?

I get what you are getting at but seldom does the virus beat a healthy human.

I know that's directed at me. I will straight up write you a check for $50,000 - no I will WIRE you the money - if you can show me where I said that this virus hasn't killed anyone and isn't killing anyone. If you can't find that - then you can write me the check The analogy was in reference in how deaths were being tabulated - hence the analogy of dying with vs dying from. But in your infinite wisdom to be smarter than everyone else here - you immediately assume that I'm some total denier of the virus and science. Not once have I ever said the virus isn't real - it is. It's just not the big bad wolf that it's been made out to be.

I know that's directed at me. I will straight up write you a check for $50,000 - no I will WIRE you the money - if you can show me where I said that this virus hasn't killed anyone and isn't killing anyone. If you can't find that - then you can write me the check The analogy was in reference in how deaths were being tabulated - hence the analogy of dying with vs dying from. But in your infinite wisdom to be smarter than everyone else here - you immediately assume that I'm some total denier of the virus and science. Not once have I ever said the virus isn't real - it is. It's just not the big bad wolf that it's been made out to be.

Thats not what I was getting at. The point is, we don't know the long term effects of covid infection, symptomatic or not. If there is underlying lung disease that is subclinical in a small percentage, then flu would be devastating to those people. There is a reason flu affects people with bad lungs worse than others, and does covid cause bad lungs? We know in some it does. Thats all I was getting at, nothing about fudged numbers or anything.

At this point it is all a big "WHAT IF?".....maybe covid infection will pass on some immunity to flu this year? Maybe it will make flu infectivity worse. We just don't really know. I am not making any predictions, just saying what I have always said, at this point we don't know.