Complete conversation at news channel link




https://www.valleynewslive.com/cont...mission-About-Coronavirus-569458361.html

Just stop

It is already well known that the numbers have been doctored ...no pun intended.
In fact most of the hospitals are sending nurses home all over the country because there isn't any work and yes even in New York the hospitals are not filled up like the lies being told.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...e_counting_that_as_a_covid-19_death.html

DR. DEBORAH BIRX: So, I think in this country we've taken a very liberal approach to mortality. And I think the reporting here has been pretty straightforward over the last five to six weeks. Prior to that when there wasn't testing in January and February that's a very different situation and unknown.

There are other countries that if you had a preexisting condition and let's say the virus caused you to go to the ICU and then have a heart or kidney problem some countries are recording as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death. Right now we are still recording it and we will I mean the great thing about having forms that come in and a form that has the ability to market as COVID-19 infection the intent is right now that those if someone dies with COVID-19 we are counting that as a COVID-19 death.


. I am not saying this has any merit or changes any outcome. But Tin has a valid point.

How is this not reasonable in determining cause of death?

Because if someone dies in a car wreck, if they have Covid it says that's what killed them. Even if they were decapitated. Someone dies of a heart attack but has Covid, it's marked down as death due to Covid. And on & on. It's a sham. Covid has killed very few people but a lot of people have died WITH Covid, not FROM Covid.

Do you know this for fact the death cert says Covid and not car wreck?

It is.

Have I seen death certificates? Nope. I'm going off of what the Dr.'s that are in charge of death determination are saying/doing. Read the above;
If someone dies WITH Covid, they're putting as Covid death. That's regardless of the cause of death. They're saying death WITH Covid is death FROM Covid.

How do you figure this is acceptable? It's a blatant lie in many of the circumstances.

Here is the CDC pdf about how to file the death certs.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf

You do realize you're proving my point, don't you?

The PPD is strong with this thread

You do realize you're proving my point, don't you?[/quote]

On his statement but the pdf from CDC isn't what he said.

At this point What difference does it make?

The Democraps have their 'squad' of airheads spouting all sorts of empty fantastical delusions.

We too have a squad of THF airheads spouting all sorts of equally empty fantastical delusions.
Their brains would simply float away if not wrapped in layer upon layers of conspiracy theories and misrepresentations then bound tightly with tin foil.

They don't even realize they are using the identical means & methods as their Democrap mentors to come up with the hair brained stuff they believe.

Semi sane reasonable folks capable of rational thought consider this utter nonsense.

This thread is proof the Doctor mentioned was undeniably wrong, some parts of the public are in fact stupid.

Because what Doctor Jensen said was not what the CDC said.

And how many people with confirmed cases of coronavirus have died in a car wreck this month? I'd bet real good money its a single digit number.

Intresting discussion, guess I sould have not gone to bed.

The CDC makes recommendations based on years of working with data. For data analysis to work, there must be disciplines in collecting data. Not everyone will agree on the disciplines or the baselines.

This has been a learn to dance as you go event.

Do I believe there is power struggle in politics? Do I believe the actions of the never Trumpers could be classified as an attempted to overthrow Trump's adminastration? Do I believe the power brokers would and have lie to the public? Yes I do.

Is this part of that attempt? Time will tell.

Looking at the numbers below from this morning, is Texas reporting deaths differently, testing more, or..? I don’t see a reason why we would have significantly better health care than the states on either side of us on the chart. Washington has a similar number of cases but twice the deaths. How does this play in?

Just my warm fuzzy answer.

None of these number have a refrence to population denisty, climate or climates in Texas.
This is just raw data.

Apparently the virus made it's way in Washington nursing/assisted living homes and had around a 30% fatality rate. 244 deaths in King county alone. Also, King county is where the first US death occurred, seems it hit there early on.

I read somewhere that Federal funding/reimbursement will be tied to the number of Covid patients treated and deaths. Money may drive some of the numbers to be fudged by hospitals but in the end it's a local person that determines the cause of death. I just don't buy into the conspiracy of the OP.

Funding historicaly is tied to event numbers. That fact alone could influence local parameters.