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Re: For those that don't believe in vaccines. [Re: Duck Buster] #7796364 04/05/20 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Duck Buster
I hear a lot of me, me, me, with very little regard for others. And it’s a little sad how selfish our society has become.

By getting vaccinations, or flu shots-it’s not just about you. Yes, you get immunity and protected by getting shots and vaccines regardless of their efficacy, but it’s also to curb the likelihood those that can’t get vaccines or are immune compromised that you come in contact with have a lower probability of contracting it from you.

I thought the same way that I didn’t need the flu shot, until I had a child. . I haven’t missed an annual flu shot since the year before he was born- because of me being protected helps protect him- darn right I’m doing it. And now I work with an immunocompromised person that cant get them- but if me getting a free shot helps protect them, why not do it? Plus there’s an additional probability I won’t get the flu, I’ll take it.

For the same reasons, when they come out with a covid19 vaccination, myself and my family will get it as an annual shot.


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Originally Posted by Duck Buster
I hear a lot of me, me, me, with very little regard for others. And it’s a little sad how selfish our society has become.

By getting vaccinations, or flu shots-it’s not just about you. Yes, you get immunity and protected by getting shots and vaccines regardless of their efficacy, but it’s also to curb the likelihood those that can’t get vaccines or are immune compromised that you come in contact with have a lower probability of contracting it from you.

I thought the same way that I didn’t need the flu shot, until I had a child. . I haven’t missed an annual flu shot since the year before he was born- because of me being protected helps protect him- darn right I’m doing it. And now I work with an immunocompromised person that cant get them- but if me getting a free shot helps protect them, why not do it? Plus there’s an additional probability I won’t get the flu, I’ll take it.

For the same reasons, when they come out with a covid19 vaccination, myself and my family will get it as an annual shot.


Your house, your rules, but your rules dont work in my house. My house, my choice. up

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Originally Posted by S.A. hunter
Originally Posted by Duck Buster
I hear a lot of me, me, me, with very little regard for others. And it’s a little sad how selfish our society has become.

By getting vaccinations, or flu shots-it’s not just about you. Yes, you get immunity and protected by getting shots and vaccines regardless of their efficacy, but it’s also to curb the likelihood those that can’t get vaccines or are immune compromised that you come in contact with have a lower probability of contracting it from you.

I thought the same way that I didn’t need the flu shot, until I had a child. . I haven’t missed an annual flu shot since the year before he was born- because of me being protected helps protect him- darn right I’m doing it. And now I work with an immunocompromised person that cant get them- but if me getting a free shot helps protect them, why not do it? Plus there’s an additional probability I won’t get the flu, I’ll take it.

For the same reasons, when they come out with a covid19 vaccination, myself and my family will get it as an annual shot.


Your house, your rules, but your rules dont work in my house. My house, my choice. up


That's all fine until you send your kid to a public school.


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Originally Posted by S.A. hunter
Originally Posted by Duck Buster
I hear a lot of me, me, me, with very little regard for others. And it’s a little sad how selfish our society has become.

By getting vaccinations, or flu shots-it’s not just about you. Yes, you get immunity and protected by getting shots and vaccines regardless of their efficacy, but it’s also to curb the likelihood those that can’t get vaccines or are immune compromised that you come in contact with have a lower probability of contracting it from you.

I thought the same way that I didn’t need the flu shot, until I had a child. . I haven’t missed an annual flu shot since the year before he was born- because of me being protected helps protect him- darn right I’m doing it. And now I work with an immunocompromised person that cant get them- but if me getting a free shot helps protect them, why not do it? Plus there’s an additional probability I won’t get the flu, I’ll take it.

For the same reasons, when they come out with a covid19 vaccination, myself and my family will get it as an annual shot.


Your house, your rules, but your rules dont work in my house. My house, my choice. up


That's all fine until you send your kid to a public school.

Use religion as an excuse. Works every time.

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Rights have responsibilities. Your right to swing your arms freely ends at my body. You do not have the right to choose something that impacts my life. Same as with drinking and driving, same as with most rights. We love the idea of rights, we ignore the responsibilities.


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Originally Posted by S.A. hunter
Originally Posted by Duck Buster
I hear a lot of me, me, me, with very little regard for others. And it’s a little sad how selfish our society has become.

By getting vaccinations, or flu shots-it’s not just about you. Yes, you get immunity and protected by getting shots and vaccines regardless of their efficacy, but it’s also to curb the likelihood those that can’t get vaccines or are immune compromised that you come in contact with have a lower probability of contracting it from you.

I thought the same way that I didn’t need the flu shot, until I had a child. . I haven’t missed an annual flu shot since the year before he was born- because of me being protected helps protect him- darn right I’m doing it. And now I work with an immunocompromised person that cant get them- but if me getting a free shot helps protect them, why not do it? Plus there’s an additional probability I won’t get the flu, I’ll take it.

For the same reasons, when they come out with a covid19 vaccination, myself and my family will get it as an annual shot.


Your house, your rules, but your rules dont work in my house. My house, my choice. up


And that’s where our thoughts differ. You consider them rules, and that those rules only affect your house. I respectfully disagree with that premise.

I consider it basic human decency to look out for friends and family, and extend it to those I don’t know. Because I know my actions and choices don't only affect me and those that live under my roof. Vaccines and shot included in that.

But your choice is what it is, for whatever reasons. All choices have consequences, many of which we will never know.

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Originally Posted by Duck Buster
I hear a lot of me, me, me, with very little regard for others. And it’s a little sad how selfish our society has become.

By getting vaccinations, or flu shots-it’s not just about you. Yes, you get immunity and protected by getting shots and vaccines regardless of their efficacy, but it’s also to curb the likelihood those that can’t get vaccines or are immune compromised that you come in contact with have a lower probability of contracting it from you.

I thought the same way that I didn’t need the flu shot, until I had a child. . I haven’t missed an annual flu shot since the year before he was born- because of me being protected helps protect him- darn right I’m doing it. And now I work with an immunocompromised person that cant get them- but if me getting a free shot helps protect them, why not do it? Plus there’s an additional probability I won’t get the flu, I’ll take it.

For the same reasons, when they come out with a covid19 vaccination, myself and my family will get it as an annual shot.

Well said.


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Originally Posted by Duck Buster
Originally Posted by S.A. hunter
Originally Posted by Duck Buster
I hear a lot of me, me, me, with very little regard for others. And it’s a little sad how selfish our society has become.

By getting vaccinations, or flu shots-it’s not just about you. Yes, you get immunity and protected by getting shots and vaccines regardless of their efficacy, but it’s also to curb the likelihood those that can’t get vaccines or are immune compromised that you come in contact with have a lower probability of contracting it from you.

I thought the same way that I didn’t need the flu shot, until I had a child. . I haven’t missed an annual flu shot since the year before he was born- because of me being protected helps protect him- darn right I’m doing it. And now I work with an immunocompromised person that cant get them- but if me getting a free shot helps protect them, why not do it? Plus there’s an additional probability I won’t get the flu, I’ll take it.

For the same reasons, when they come out with a covid19 vaccination, myself and my family will get it as an annual shot.


Your house, your rules, but your rules dont work in my house. My house, my choice. up


And that’s where our thoughts differ. You consider them rules, and that those rules only affect your house. I respectfully disagree with that premise.

I consider it basic human decency to look out for friends and family, and extend it to those I don’t know. Because I know my actions and choices don't only affect me and those that live under my roof. Vaccines and shot included in that.

But your choice is what it is, for whatever reasons. All choices have consequences, many of which we will never know.



So, if your whole family is vaccinated, but I choose not to vaccinate mine. How does my decision affect your vaccinated family?

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Originally Posted by Sniper.270
Rights have responsibilities. Your right to swing your arms freely ends at my body. You do not have the right to choose something that impacts my life. Same as with drinking and driving, same as with most rights. We love the idea of rights, we ignore the responsibilities.



My right to swing my arms doesn’t stop at your body but it does come with consequences.

It is about consequences. Everyone has to weigh the consequences of their actions with their personal risk tolerance.
And by the way... That is how our society works.

Let’s use your DUI analogy.
First DUI is a slap on the wrist second, third, forth...... the law has graduated penalties based on the amount of risk that society will tolerate.

Look at guns. Most of society feels owning and driving a car is more important that owning a gun. However, facts show you are more likely to be injured in a car accident that by a gun. So... guns are being restricted and outlawed, even though there is a Constitutional Right to own a gun. But there is no such Right to drive or even have a drivers license.
That means societal risk tolerance is high for cars but low for guns.


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I remember when I was in elementary school in the late 60's, they lined us up in the cafeteria and branded us with one of these. Left a dime size scar on your arm. Not sure when they stopped.

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I remember when I was in elementary school in the late 60's, they lined us up in the cafeteria and branded us with one of these. Left a dime size scar on your arm. Not sure when they stopped.

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That would be small pox. Look it up.


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Originally Posted by bill oxner
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I remember when I was in elementary school in the late 60's, they lined us up in the cafeteria and branded us with one of these. Left a dime size scar on your arm. Not sure when they stopped.

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That would be small pox. Look it up.

Looks like Buck Roger's side arm

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Originally Posted by bill oxner
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I remember when I was in elementary school in the late 60's, they lined us up in the cafeteria and branded us with one of these. Left a dime size scar on your arm. Not sure when they stopped.

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That would be small pox. Look it up.


Don’t need to look it up. I can just look at my left shoulder.


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Originally Posted by S.A. hunter
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I remember when I was in elementary school in the late 60's, they lined us up in the cafeteria and branded us with one of these. Left a dime size scar on your arm. Not sure when they stopped.

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That would be small pox. Look it up.

Looks like Buck Roger's side arm

Reminded me of Star Trek at the time.

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Originally Posted by ndhunter
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I remember when I was in elementary school in the late 60's, they lined us up in the cafeteria and branded us with one of these. Left a dime size scar on your arm. Not sure when they stopped.

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That would be small pox. Look it up.

Looks like Buck Roger's side arm

Reminded me of Star Trek at the time.


That was back in the good old days when you had to have your vaccinations in order to go to a public school


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Good old days indeed. Remember the yellow shot records?


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Good old days indeed. Remember the yellow shot records?


Yep.... my father was Air Force.. So we moved a lot...….
Every new school... Had to have that yellow card with my school records.....

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Only Fools ignore fact, I have friends and relatives who don't believe in vaccinations, shame on them.



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i have a child with autism. he didn't get it from vaccines.


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Good old days indeed. Remember the yellow shot records?



Still have mine. They are the shot records accepted internationally. I actually just had everything transcribed to a new one as the old was full.
Also found out that they now classify the Yellow Fever shot a lifetime immunization if your records are original and have the lot number included. up


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I assume that Bill was simply referring to a time before there were polio vaccinations (pre-1962 or 1963) so he saw some of the fallout at school.


I grew up in the 50's and polio was pretty scary back in the day.
I remember getting lined up at school to get vaccinated.
My dad took us to the Stock Show and Rodeo, and I was about 9, and there was a kid in an Iron Lung on one of the displays, and you could hear the machine pumping the air, and I was terrified just walking next to that huge piece of machinery.
There was a swimming hole we could no longer go swim in because several kids had come down with polio who visited that area.
The display at the Rodeo was to raise money for research and a cure.
Also remember all the stores had a cardboard poster on the counter with a picture of a kid with crutches with a jar for placing donations.
Polio killed as well as crippled kids and young adults, and it was something all young couples trying to raise a family had to come to grips with.


I remember the same. I also had a great uncle and his daughter that was stricken with polio.


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Originally Posted by pegasaurus
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Rights have responsibilities. Your right to swing your arms freely ends at my body. You do not have the right to choose something that impacts my life. Same as with drinking and driving, same as with most rights. We love the idea of rights, we ignore the responsibilities.



My right to swing my arms doesn’t stop at your body but it does come with consequences.

It is about consequences. Everyone has to weigh the consequences of their actions with their personal risk tolerance.
And by the way... That is how our society works.

Let’s use your DUI analogy.
First DUI is a slap on the wrist second, third, forth...... the law has graduated penalties based on the amount of risk that society will tolerate.

Look at guns. Most of society feels owning and driving a car is more important that owning a gun. However, facts show you are more likely to be injured in a car accident that by a gun. So... guns are being restricted and outlawed, even though there is a Constitutional Right to own a gun. But there is no such Right to drive or even have a drivers license.
That means societal risk tolerance is high for cars but low for guns.




The reason there are consequences is because your right does end at my body.

You lost me on the DUI.

Movement, which is one of the founding principles of geography is the reason people see driving/movement so much more important. Since the beginning of time, movement has been critical to life, to improvement, to many things. Guns not so much.


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I got the flu shot this season back in October along with the first and later second Shingles vaccine. Ended up getting a verified Type B flu that was not covered by the vaccine for this season. But my recovery time was a lot quicker. The severity was less. There’s no data to prove but discussion with my doc prior flu vaccines and strong immune system from travel may have helped.


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Originally Posted by TurkeyHunter
I got the flu shot this season back in October along with the first and later second Shingles vaccine. Ended up getting a verified Type B flu that was not covered by the vaccine for this season. But my recovery time was a lot quicker. The severity was less. There’s no data to prove but discussion with my doc prior flu vaccines and strong immune system from travel may have helped.

The Veterans Admin Doctor said the same thing, so did our civilian Doc.


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I got the flu shot this season back in October along with the first and later second Shingles vaccine. Ended up getting a verified Type B flu that was not covered by the vaccine for this season. But my recovery time was a lot quicker. The severity was less. There’s no data to prove but discussion with my doc prior flu vaccines and strong immune system from travel may have helped.

The Veterans Admin Doctor said the same thing, so did our civilian Doc.



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