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I have Questions.
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12/24/19 12:59 AM
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scottfromdallas
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I have Ruger 77 Hawkeye in 6.8 SPC that I can't seem to get to shoot well. Swapped scopes, dropped it in a McMillan stock I had for another short action Ruger I sold. Tried different ammo. Rifle currently has a 16" pencil barrel. I'm considering a new barrel to get accuracy and allow me to shoot suppressed.
Stock will take a medium sporter barrel. I thinking either going 16" threaded 6.8 SPC or 18" threaded 224 Valkyrie.
I've never had a barrel changed out. How do I start? Who do do recommend to perform such a delicate procedure? What is the process?
I know nothing.
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Re: I have Questions.
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12/24/19 01:12 AM
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Dang. I meant to post in the rifle section. See how confusing this is?
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Re: I have Questions.
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12/24/19 01:31 AM
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Re: I have Questions.
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12/24/19 01:50 AM
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What kinda groups are you getting?
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12/24/19 02:37 AM
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I have Ruger 77 Hawkeye in 6.8 SPC that I can't seem to get to shoot well. Swapped scopes, dropped it in a McMillan stock I had for another short action Ruger I sold. Tried different ammo. Rifle currently has a 16" pencil barrel. I'm considering a new barrel to get accuracy and allow me to shoot suppressed.
Stock will take a medium sporter barrel. I thinking either going 16" threaded 6.8 SPC or 18" threaded 224 Valkyrie.
I've never had a barrel changed out. How do I start? Who do do recommend to perform such a delicate procedure? What is the process?
I know nothing.
If your sure your done with that barrel S&S precision is top notch in Denton, talk with them, they will supply your components or you can gather them and take it all up. If your gonna do the Valkyrie I would suggest a 7 twist barrel, and Brux is one of the best out right now. I did one in a number 4 taper (6.5-284) and it fills a sporter stock quite nicely. There are a bunch of excellent rifle builders in Texas but I can say from having more than 4 rifles done there you won’t be disappointed at all.
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Re: I have Questions.
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12/24/19 02:42 AM
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That's sound advice. To help explain...it's not a big deal. There are two ways to approach it. You get all the needed parts and take in for the smithing or you let the smith order it all. They don't make much on rifle parts and most don't care either way....everyone I've ever met would rather be standing in front of a machine making chips over being in the phone....ordering parts or in general. Now should you want to get parts....you really need a barrel, muzzle brake, reamer and go gauges (assuming you aren't going to use the Smith's reamer and gauges). Reamers and go gauges can be rented from 4D but you need to coordinate time because it has to be send back in a certain time frame. I prefer the second way just because I want to control things and know where and who my bottle necks are. If it's a supplier I'll know and might try someone different because of it next time. Plus, it beats me wondering if the smith ordered the right stuff, did he order stuff when he said...etc. Plus, back to my point above....they don't like phones and I refuse to be "that guy". If you cannot wait months without knowing or bugging him then you should go the second route because you'll be part of the reason things take so long...they aren't making chips but instead talking on the phone.
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Re: I have Questions.
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12/24/19 02:48 AM
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What kinda groups are you getting? About 3" at 100 yards.
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Re: I have Questions.
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12/24/19 02:56 AM
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If your sure your done with that barrel S&S precision is top notch in Denton, talk with them, they will supply your components or you can gather them and take it all up.
If your gonna do the Valkyrie I would suggest a 7 twist barrel, and Brux is one of the best out right now. I did one in a number 4 taper (6.5-284) and it fills a sporter stock quite nicely.
There are a bunch of excellent rifle builders in Texas but I can say from having more than 4 rifles done there you won’t be disappointed at all.
I am leaning towards the Valkyrie. I will contact them.
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Re: I have Questions.
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12/24/19 03:03 AM
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That's sound advice. To help explain...it's not a big deal. There are two ways to approach it. You get all the needed parts and take in for the smithing or you let the smith order it all. They don't make much on rifle parts and most don't care either way....everyone I've ever met would rather be standing in front of a machine making chips over being in the phone....ordering parts or in general. Now should you want to get parts....you really need a barrel, muzzle brake, reamer and go gauges (assuming you aren't going to use the Smith's reamer and gauges). Reamers and go gauges can be rented from 4D but you need to coordinate time because it has to be send back in a certain time frame. I prefer the second way just because I want to control things and know where and who my bottle necks are. If it's a supplier I'll know and might try someone different because of it next time. Plus, it beats me wondering if the smith ordered the right stuff, did he order stuff when he said...etc. Plus, back to my point above....they don't like phones and I refuse to be "that guy". If you cannot wait months without knowing or bugging him then you should go the second route because you'll be part of the reason things take so long...they aren't making chips but instead talking on the phone. I don't need to control everything. Just looking for an experienced gunsmith recommendation that can change a barrel and make some recommendations on barrel options. There are many gunsmiths in the area that list only very basic services like scope mounting and installing drop in triggers. Just trying to save time by getting a recommendation on a gunsmith people have used for barrel changes. So much talk on this forum about building rifles, I'm sure there are some competent gunsmiths in the DFW area that people can recommend.
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Re: I have Questions.
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12/24/19 03:12 AM
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Re: I have Questions.
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12/24/19 03:14 AM
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Optimal Ruger action screw torque can be finicky. Regardless of whether you rebarrel, try tightening the front screw gorilla tight (75-95 in-lbs) followed by the rear screw (40 in-lbs) and the middle just finger tight. Should shrink your groups significantly
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Re: I have Questions.
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12/24/19 03:39 AM
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He's welcome to post. I'm just trying to get several opinions. RedSnake, I have checked the screws. I have several Rugers and what you posted is good advice. I learned that a while back.
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Re: I have Questions.
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12/24/19 03:42 AM
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I’m just offering another simple check...
Good ammo?
If so, from same lot?
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Re: I have Questions.
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12/24/19 03:50 AM
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I’m just offering another simple check...
Good ammo?
If so, from same lot?
I've tried about 5 different kinds of factory ammo from 90 grains to 120 grains. Doesn't really like anything. I tried some reloads, the same. I'm sure there is a magical load out there but it shouldn't be this much work to print a decent group.
Last edited by scottfromdallas; 12/24/19 03:51 AM.
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Re: I have Questions.
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12/24/19 03:51 AM
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He's welcome to post. I'm just trying to get several opinions. RedSnake, I have checked the screws. I have several Rugers and what you posted is good advice. I learned that a while back. Everyone is telling you to get with jgfireman because he does the type of work that you are asking about, not because he would know of who to send it to.
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Re: I have Questions.
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12/24/19 04:15 AM
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He's welcome to post. I'm just trying to get several opinions. RedSnake, I have checked the screws. I have several Rugers and what you posted is good advice. I learned that a while back. Everyone is telling you to get with jgfireman because he does the type of work that you are asking about, not because he would know of who to send it to. I had no idea he was a gunsmith. I will reach out to him as well.
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Re: I have Questions.
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12/24/19 04:53 AM
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Optimal Ruger action screw torque can be finicky. Regardless of whether you rebarrel, try tightening the front screw gorilla tight (75-95 in-lbs) followed by the rear screw (40 in-lbs) and the middle just finger tight. Should shrink your groups significantly This^^^
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Re: I have Questions.
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12/24/19 12:19 PM
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I’ve had a couple of rifles with bad barrels. It can happen.
Without a sense of urgency, nothing ever happens.
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Re: I have Questions.
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12/24/19 01:45 PM
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He's welcome to post. I'm just trying to get several opinions. RedSnake, I have checked the screws. I have several Rugers and what you posted is good advice. I learned that a while back. Everyone is telling you to get with jgfireman because he does the type of work that you are asking about, not because he would know of who to send it to. I had no idea he was a gunsmith. I will reach out to him as well. Scott, I'm not running the lathe, I'm doing everything else. Another person is running the lathe, and doesn't want to mess with everything else. Exactly like Judd explained it. This can be fixed, with money. Of course, try what Red is telling you first. I would not doubt him, he's got a fine shooting Ruger 77. And he is the type of guy that researches the hell out of any topic he wants an answer to.
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Re: I have Questions.
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12/24/19 02:09 PM
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Jason,
Thanks. I have 4 other 77s. He is right about the screw setting for sure. It's Been checked and rechecked. It has a pencil barrel anyway. I'm thinking something with a little more meat and threaded since I got that suppressor. Still undecided on whether to keep it 6.8 or go Valkyrie.
Maybe some bourbon over the holidays will help give me a clearer picture.
Thanks to everyone for their input so far.
Merry Christmas to everyone!
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Re: I have Questions.
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12/24/19 02:17 PM
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to answer your question, YES, Santa Clause IS REAL!!!!
BACK TO YOUR BUDGET AND TIME FRAME FOR COMPLETION? sorry, left caplok on, wasn't meaning to shout at you.
Merry Christmas
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Re: I have Questions.
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12/24/19 02:21 PM
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Have you checked the crown? It's a long shot but recrowning might help.
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Re: I have Questions.
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12/24/19 11:10 PM
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If you really want to run it suppressed, I’d just skip to the new barrel as it sounds like you’ve done Most of the usual things to try and get this one shooting. I had an m77 mkII 22-250 that wouldn’t shoot well, I had a local gunsmith put a Shilen #4 on it. Shot well with the new tube. M77s can be rebarreled with out issue, most rifle smiths I’ve asked will work on them. Bedding is a little trickier than with a cylindrical action, but nothing a good gunsmith can’t handle. If you’re ordering parts you’ll want to get a contour that will work well with your desired muzzle thread diameter, and still fit your stock. I would probably opt to let the rifle builder fit and bed it into your McMillan if you’re not handy with such things.
On the 224V vs 6.8, I’d go 6.8 if hunting pigs and deer is the plan. Not to say a .22 cal won’t work, but the 6.8 will be better. If targets and varmints are the main use then maybe go 224V.
Or sell the rifle and stock and step up to a short action standard bolt face chambering, options real open up with this route for hunting or target shooting.
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Re: I have Questions.
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12/24/19 11:16 PM
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I’d keep it at 6.8 and go at least 18” and push it hard. Should be lethal to 300 on pigs deer and yotes!
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12/24/19 11:59 PM
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Reloading, Sir ?? if not then... you should be.
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