Kevin, to me, the G19 is the perfect "if I could only own one" handgun choice
I have a slightly tweaked Gen3 that I will never get rid of

I didnt know a glock could hit anything at 50 yards

Best gun ever

Speaking of, let's go do some shooting tomorrow night! About to sign up!

http://www.dallaspistol.com/

When- Wed, August 7, 6pm – 9pm
Where- Elm Fork Shooting Sports, 10751 Luna Rd, Dallas, TX 75220, USA (map)
Description
SPLASH is Steel Pinging Lead-Alloy Slinging Happiness. This match features mostly static and some reactive steel plates and mind-melting stage designs. Hose as fast as you can go & do speed reloads. Load up your extended magazines in Single Stack, Double Stack, or Open Optic divisions. Time plus scoring. 5 stages, bring 175+ rounds to be on the safe side.

Sign in at 5:30pm, safety briefing required for all new shooters will be held at 6:00pm. Pay range fee ($14) in the office before signing up at the bays. Match fee: $10, 2019 DAPS members get $2 discount.

General match, with the following divisions:
Single Stack, Double Stack, Open/Optics, Shotgun, Pistol Caliber Carbine

Please register and squad yourself on Practiscore.

https://practiscore.com/clubs/dallas-action-pistol-shooters-daps

Lots of chatter, but the real question needed to be asked is this:

Have any of you ever been fired at?


My experience with active death threats is people fall into several categories:
1. mounds of mush, incapable of thought or action. these are typically the screamers, the sobers, and the people who freak out.
2. scared folks, they know they need to do something and typically act in pure self preservation. Taking shelter, hiding until threat is gone. many times can think but fear is the biggest problem.
3. stressed out folks, capable of action and thought, but not clear action or clear thought as stress and adrenaline take over and from a distance their actions don't make a ton of sense and in hindsight it is clear their thoughts were not logical.
4. those who can actually think and act as normal.

Most people on here will fall into categories 2 and 3. Some would be category 1 (yes, guys fall into this category more than we admit), and some category 4. Training has some bearing on how people react, but instincts are instincts, and no matter how much gun training you have, your stress training is more important in a mass shooting.

How do you all handle life threatening stress?

No the Glock can... you’re the problem

When I get up in the morning I strap on a 9mm loaded with 16 rounds. I don’t take it off till I shower at night. I’m so used to that double stack that sometimes I touch it to see if I have it on. My thought is, if I don’t wear it all the time I probably won’t have it on if I ever need it. My thought is also to carry the pistol I would want to have in a gunfight. As far as the second part of the question, I hope I’m never on the scene of a mass shooting. I’m in my seventies and that gives me a little different perspective than a younger man. I’ve fulfilled my family responsibilities and lived a full life. If I get shot, I’d rather it be from the front with my finger on the trigger than from the back while I’m running. So if fate put me in the wrong place at the wrong time, I’m going to try to take the shooter out, even if that’s not the smartest decision.

When the Southerland Springs shooting occurred we were on the deck of our hunting cabin which is between Seguin and Stockdale.
About 15 minutes as the crow flys from the church.

We heard the sirens but didn't know what happened until later.

The irony is that we were talking with my main hunting buddy who is LE and a vet (we both are, never saw combat up close)
The other guy had been in the Marines, Blackwater and does private high level security and flys all over the world routinely.
He is also an instructor at a place near San Marcos where they do active shooter response training with agencies coming from accross the country.

They were talking about the difference in protocol since Columbine, i.e., setup perimiter and wait the SWAT, vs get in, go past the bleeding victims and engage the bad guy, "stop the killing, then stop the bleeding" . It's not natural for most people, their instinct tells them to render first aid.

Very surreal conversation in retrospect.

My buddy who is LE often cites Isaiah 6:8 "send me"
He is definitely someone who would (and is trained) to run towards gunfire.

All this talk is a reminder I need to get back to shooting pistols more..
Headed out to the steel gun match. No, it's not "training" but it is much more active and better than standing punching paper

Shot at? No. But in every emergency situation that I have been in or encountered. (One house fire, first on scene at car accidents, etc...some of which my family or myself were in imminent danger) I have always fallen into Category 4. I would expect a shooter situation to be the same.

Definitely post of the day.

The TLR-7 came yesterday and the holster should be here shortly.
Today I took the G19 with the TLR-7 to the range. I also took the Shadow 2 to have an accuracy baseline. Please note that I haven’t been doing any pistol shooting for the past few months.

I immediately started shooting the G19 with self defense ammo (HST 124gr) at 25Y followed by the Shadow 2 with FMJs.
I did not shoot the G19 that well!! Basically at 25Y, with the G19 it’s a man size accuracy and with the Shadow 2 it’s a headshot with every round.



I shot the G19 some more with FMJs and at the end I was able to get decent results, but nowhere near as good as the Shadow 2.



The G19 requires much more effort to shoot kinda accurately.

If that Glock is completely stock besides the light which does not help you aim, id say that’s pretty good compared to a pistol basically made for competitive shooting.

Yeh, the G19 is completely stock.

Well I wouldn’t really compare it to the Shadow2, it’s a compact carry gun compared to a full size comp gun.

I’d say the G19 held its own quiet nicely especially with the same ammo (fmj) you we’re shooting from the comp gun.

1. Which do you carry
2. Which do you want to carry
3.Does your experience with either change questions 1&2?

Do you know how much that shadow 2 weights? 46.5 OZ..... No way I'm carrying that.

I think that was his point.

Glock shoot great



like a shotgun

I am going to start carrying this with the 26 round magazine vs the puny 20 round one pictured.. very accurate and reliable

That’s exactly my point. I shoot a Para 16-40 in competition quite a bit, and definitely shoot it better than my G19, but it’s huge and heavy. I’m not going to carry the Para either.

Not saying it’s bad to put them up against each other, but it’s kinda like comparing a Ford Fiesta to a Ferrari

That gun with the flared mag well will print like a mo fo!

Where’s your red dot and your TLR-2? All the Instagram operators have a dot and a light and appendix carry.

I lost the ability for appendix carry a few pounds and years ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyler_courthouse_shooting

Always remember you can do everything right but it can still go bad.