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Re: planting japanese millet [Re: Jasb] #749872 06/11/09 05:00 PM
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If you shred them and make an attempt to harvest them, then yes you are good. Shred them, take a sack and pick some up for feed and you are legal.



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Re: planting japanese millet [Re: Jasb] #749873 06/11/09 07:01 PM
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So as I read it, if I shred my sunflowers (wild) a week before dove season I'm ok? And hunt over planted sunflowers just can't shred.




For dove, you can shread, mow, cut or whatever to sunflowers anytime before, during, or after the season to hunt. Dove regs are different than waterfowl. Not many in Texas harvest their sunflowers. Most don't even plant the ones you use for aftermarket purposes. They are simply for soil stabilization for ag purposes. Plus the come up voluntary after you plant them one time. Sunflowers are considered native in Texas no matter if you plant or they come up on their own. But you can't plant sunflowers in Sept since that is not normal ag practice. Sunflowers must be planted around March/April anyway for them to even grow and flower.

You still never have to harvest the stuff you plant that you hunt waterfowl over. You just can go and start messing with it.

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Re: planting japanese millet [Re: A.B.] #749874 06/11/09 07:08 PM
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If a crop comes up volunteer you can do whatever you want to. Shred, thrash, drive over it with a atv. This doesnt meen you can strip a corn cob in or around your hunting sight or pull the ears off the stock and throw them in the water. You can plant any crop you want regardless of your intentions, but if you manipulate the crop (shred,thrash,harvest,drive over,nock down,etc.) , it must be done in a way that is considered normal ag. practice. So if you plant a crop to hunt over, dont jack with it.



Re: planting japanese millet [Re: Tradition_Outfitters] #749875 06/11/09 10:11 PM
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I think the difference here guy is how was the question asked. If you simply asked can you hunt ducks over a a flooded farmers crop the GW will say sure, not a problem. If you ask can I plant japanese millet around my pond to attract ducks for hunting and I have no combine to harvest, no sales tickets from past years, ect, can I hunt over it. Now I know you did not intend to ask that way and not being deceitful at all, I just read it for myself and can see what the intentions were.

The intentions of the law were designed to allow hunting without the disruption of a farming operation. Disruption of farming and leasing for money is what I am talking about.

The feds do not allow baiting and there again IMO, planting a grain for the attraction of waterfowl is illegal. If you have no attempts or proof of ever harvesting it is simply baiting. If you go to farmer Joe and ask to hunt his wheat or rice then you are not in violation. He has plenty of past and future proof it was planted in accordance with the overseeing ag agency.

To give you an idea of how restrictive the agencies are: The bigger operations are all run off of GPS. Each square yard of soil is sampled and the results are fed to the onboard computer. that computer tells the spray nozzles what type of fertilizer to spray for each and every square yard of a field. The information is uploaded to the ag agency. Regulations state when they can and can not spray due to weather conditions. If they spray outside of allowable conditions they are fined. So proof of a normal ag operation is there. It is not there when you plant jap mill with your Ford and a rake.


Re: planting japanese millet [Re: wal1809] #749876 06/11/09 10:30 PM
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Sorry Guy I am not trying to beat you up. I just spoke with the fed GW. His exact words were you can hunt a farming crop that has been harvested or will be harvested, one that has been planted for the sole purpose of harvest. You absolutely can not plant to attract wildlife and not attempt to harvest the crop.

He further stated being this is not an area where jap mill would not fall under the ag extension office definition of a bona fide crop, it is illegal to plant and hunt it.

I asked him to double check with their legal department and he is to call me back tomorrow. But as he sees it right now and has throughout his career it is illegal.


Re: planting japanese millet [Re: wal1809] #749877 06/12/09 02:59 AM
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I think the difference here guy is how was the question asked. If you simply asked can you hunt ducks over a a flooded farmers crop the GW will say sure, not a problem. If you ask can I plant japanese millet around my pond to attract ducks for hunting and I have no combine to harvest, no sales tickets from past years, ect, can I hunt over it. Now I know you did not intend to ask that way and not being deceitful at all, I just read it for myself and can see what the intentions were.



Wayne, did you not see my question and their reply posted above?

My Question:

Is it legal to plant a crop with no intention to ever harvest it, but purely planted to only hunt over it? Is that legal?

Their Reply:

The scenario you describe would not be considered a baited field as long as you are planting the crop in accordance with the recommendations of the Cooperative Extension Service of the U.S. Department of Agriculture. Furthermore, make sure you do not manipulate (trample, shred, mow, etc.) the crop in any fashion prior to, or during, your hunt. If you have further questions regarding the normal agricultural practices, ask your local State Extension Specialists of the Cooperative Extension Service of the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

They said I could reply back with more questions, so I did today, we will see what they say, below is my reply back to them:

Thanks for the information.

In regaurd to federal regulation, is it a violation to scatter Japanese Millet seed around the edge of a pound, with no intention of harvesting it, the seed is planted purely to grow millet as a food source for waterfowl and to hunt over it that season. Is that legal, assuming 1) plenty of time has passes (probably 45 days at least) before it is hunted over such that there is no seed on the ground and 2) the millet is not manipulated.

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I grew up on a farm where we grew almost everything we ate. I could see putting in a garden that would do double duty. Sweet corn, peas, beans, etc.; livestock would probably like a little millet as well. I would put what I consume in the freezer and flood the rest.



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You can send all he email you want, it still boils down to the Wardens interpretation of the law and his disposition at the moment.


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You can send all he email you want, it still boils down to the Wardens interpretation of the law and his disposition at the moment.



Maybe we should just all quit hunting, give up all our rights, after all, no matter what you do, it still boils down to the Wardens interpretation of the law and his disposition at the moment.


Re: planting japanese millet [Re: Guy] #749881 06/17/09 06:37 PM
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Hello Guy WAL from Cody Wyoming. Again not to rustle your feather but I have recieved now 2 differnet answers from the feds. One says you can as long as you don't manipulate the crop. The other says planting itself is manipulation and says it is a violation. More to come, right now I am going to hang into another 2 pound rainbow, as in trout.


Re: planting japanese millet [Re: wal1809] #749882 06/17/09 06:43 PM
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Ask them when was the last time they actually read the law book...

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Re: planting japanese millet [Re: wal1809] #749883 06/17/09 06:45 PM
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Now that's really sad when you can't get a common answer for a Federal regulation that all states must abide by. Wow, no wonder we never know which one is legal and prohibited!

Wayne - hope you are having a blast in WY and catch a rainbow for me! Hey, send us some cooler temperatures..PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Re: planting japanese millet [Re: kyotee1] #749884 06/17/09 07:46 PM
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I saw this again last night on Primos Truth About Hunting. They were hunting ducks in a corn field that appeared to have very little water in it in Mississippi. Again it appears to be the same thing Cappy is doing. My neighbor and I had this discussion last night. We have been talking about approaching a local land owner to see if we could do this on his property. The land owner has shown some interest in doing this and selling guided trips.



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I've talked to several game wardens about it. You can plant food plots and hunt the same year, as long as it's not manipulated. Manipulated means flattened, shredded, or otherwise "manipulated" soas to cause the seeds to fall onto the ground.

I'm meeting with the National Resource Conservation Service people, along with the local game warden. I'm buying a large wetlands property and want to get them onboard with everything. They are actually encouraging me to manage my wetlands...ie drain it late winter, burn it, disc it and plant food, then flood in the fall. I fully intend on hunting over one big flooded food plot, but one that has not been manipulated.


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I've talked to several game wardens about it. You can plant food plots and hunt the same year, as long as it's not manipulated. Manipulated means flattened, shredded, or otherwise "manipulated" soas to cause the seeds to fall onto the ground.

I'm meeting with the National Resource Conservation Service people, along with the local game warden. I'm buying a large wetlands property and want to get them onboard with everything. They are actually encouraging me to manage my wetlands...ie drain it late winter, burn it, disc it and plant food, then flood in the fall. I fully intend on hunting over one big flooded food plot, but one that has not been manipulated.



That’s how I read the regs and I think most do.

Good luck with your wetland project, hope to see some pix of dead ducks this season!!!


Re: planting japanese millet [Re: kyotee1] #749887 06/18/09 04:35 AM
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Now that's really sad when you can't get a common answer for a Federal regulation that all states must abide by.



My thinking as well.....Something is broke.


Re: planting japanese millet [Re: Jasb] #749888 06/20/09 04:21 PM
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I just saw another duck hunting show last night, these guys were hunting over flooded "crops". Have any of you guys ever heard of Egyptian Wheat?



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