. I never shot a sub half inch group at 100 yards in my life and I don't know if a target rifle would change that. But I can hit a man size silhouette offhand at 600 yards with just a red dot.

Im gonna have to call on this one

I got nothing to prove to you. I can and I have. I have done it at 500 with just iron sights. I can't keep em all on there but I hit more than I miss.

What are you calling on? That people can shoot under .5" at 100 yards?

I damn sure can't. People that claim they can do it with consistency, I usually take it with a shaker of salt.

But hit a man sized target at 600 doesn't even require an MOA rifle. Just a steady hand.

To answer the OP, probably a big loop 92 or 94 winchester with a 16" barrel.

When considering used, something like this can be found for under the price discussed.
https://texashuntingforum.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/7348439/1

Rather plain wood, but great lines and feel. Octagon to round barrel with integral full length rib, front sight ramp, sling mount base. Quick release German claw mounts. Double set trigger. Light but tasteful hand cut scroll/engraving.

That’s a $15,000 rifle for me to build.

Well that's just stupid. I could buy 120,000 Keystone Lights with that money.

Imthereasondovesfornicateandlaytheireggs . . . . . Keystone is strictly for the beer bongs.

Hey Bullfrog. Go gig yourself.

Now that's funny lol.

Haha. Ya got me sir.

What can that 120,000 dollar barbecue shotgun do that a Remington 870 can't?

It can hold fewer shells. That is it.

Lots of nice rifles on this thread. I really haven't seen one that a bone stock Savage wouldn't outshoot.

Go over show. I am not impressed by bougie bougie rifles. I am impressed by rifles with half the finish worn off from handling and shooting.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

I don't always shoot pretty rifles, but when I do it's a Henry.

You're not wrong, but that don't mean the gun is not worth it.

The best clay shooter in the world shoots a Perazzi for a reason.

If you can afford a gun that performs well and looks good doing it, might as well have it.

Now tell me how you feel about a hipoint?

That is a beautiful gun

My dad had to have one. Got this for him. It shot fantastic. It'll be in his safe for the rest of his life, then to my grandson.

Honestly, I have never seen a Hi-Point malfunction with ball ammo. I have seen 3000 dollar 1911s malfunction with ball ammo.

You can get a Perazzi for much less than 120 grand. The 28 Gauge Perazzi that Dick Cheney peppered his lawyer friend with was 16,000.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

That can be said about just about anything.
A 15K Chevy will get you from Point A to Point B just like an original 58 ‘Vette.
A Quarter Pounder will fill you up and make a turd just like a great steak.
A $2 poster will decorate a wall just like a $60 million Renoir.

Some people appreciate finer things and some people don’t.

None of which has anything to do with the topic of the thread.

P.S. A lot of fine rifles get handled and shot a lot. Even if they don’t and some folks like to collect fine rifles, what is the problem with that?

A lot of these posts sound awfully close to sour grapes/reverse elitism to me......

Although more than double the cost limit in the OP, here's a very nice safe queen for those who might be interested.

Winchester Model 94 125th Anniversary Custom

And on a more practical note, Winchester has produced numerous "Commemorative" rifles through the years that are often easy on the eyes. With their initial sales not being what the company expected, you can often them NIB as "old, new stock" at prices that are below what you would pay today for a new one. You'll also end up with a US-made Winchester as opposed to those currently made in Japan.

Winchester Commemoratives

Tell ‘em, Nog.

I can’t imagine spending the money on a Bugatti, but I can dang sure appreciate it.

It’s funny Nog used the car comparison. I used to have a saying I would tell my clients comparing property....” it’s like comparing a Kia and a Cadillac. Both will get you safely from point A to Point B, and that’s about where the similarities end.”


I shot mossburg 500’s and Remington 870’s all thru my childhood. Was in love when I got a model 1100 (which is still one of my favorite shotguns). Pumps are very entry level guns to serious wing shooters. The fit, finish and handling on a O/U is so much better you hit the target better. I don’t need that third shot Anymore as with the the pump. I shoot a autoloader for waterfowl but my O/U gets used 99% of the time hunting any other bird. Had a cheap Stoeger SXS thst I shot lights out before I picked up this gun, but it had the aesthetics of a boat oar.


More expensive guns are by and large built better, fit better and are more pleasant to use. I don’t have a need for a truly high dollar guns but I own a few guns that are much more than a savage axis or a 870 pump and there is a reason I moved up from those, they left me wanting more.


Kinda like fishing reels, for almost 20 years I used abu Garcia 5000’s. Thought they were great and never wanted to switch. Then I broke down and bought a few shimano low profile reels, and 5 years later I can’t stand to even hold the Abu’s anymore. They feel like I’m throwing a hay bailer.

Since this is a dreaming thread...could you imagine being wealthy enough to plop $120K down on a shotgun, and then take it to the field often enough to wear the blue off of it and not be bothered by it?

I can imagine it, but I can’t do it.

If you can afford a $120,000 gun, you can afford the couple thousand dollar refresh every 20yrs.

Fall and break the stock...$5000-$8000 is daily play money. Barrel reblacking...$1000. Stock refinish...$1000.

I have one client who has a collection of over 1000 guns, mostly high end, some with absurd prominence(presidents, writers, musicians foreign leaders, etc),. Even military type stuff including two tanks, trucks, etc...I do the more complex work his full-time in house gunsmith/reloader/authenticators can’t do. He hunts a crazy amount of days a year, so stuff gets used. A couple thousand bucks ain’t nothing.
Honestly I’m surprised he hasn’t hired me yet!

It’s all relative...