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Re: Wonder who took that shot
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01/30/19 07:23 PM
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I say muzzy looks like fixed blades, Still attached, regardless non fatal, will heal. No different then a tine.
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Re: Wonder who took that shot
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01/30/19 07:33 PM
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Re: Wonder who took that shot
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01/30/19 08:41 PM
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The Trocar tip on a Muzzy is exactly why I thought it looked like the tip. Hard to say, for sure, but it’s just hard to believe that the broadhead didn’t penetrate any further than that and also didn’t fall out.
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Re: Wonder who took that shot
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Looks like the tip of the broadhead to me. Looks like a scar between the shoulders where the entry healed
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Re: Wonder who took that shot
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01/30/19 08:54 PM
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The Trocar tip on a Muzzy is exactly why I thought it looked like the tip. Hard to say, for sure, but it’s just hard to believe that the broadhead didn’t penetrate any further than that and also didn’t fall out. I agree, looks like the tip of a broadhead sticking out to me too.
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Re: Wonder who took that shot
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01/30/19 10:22 PM
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That is one reason I don't bow hunt. I have one broadhead sitting in my shop that came from the ribcage area of a doe. Your chance of a clean kill is substantially less with a bow, than with a reasonable caliber rifle. That’s an arrow placed above the vitals. You know what happens when you accidentally shot a deer via a 30-06 right above the spine.... it gets up and runs off... True story. I think a deer hit where this one was with a 30-06 wouldn’t be getting up and running off anywhere. True story.
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Re: Wonder who took that shot
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01/30/19 10:32 PM
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That is one reason I don't bow hunt. I have one broadhead sitting in my shop that came from the ribcage area of a doe. Your chance of a clean kill is substantially less with a bow, than with a reasonable caliber rifle. That’s an arrow placed above the vitals. You know what happens when you accidentally shot a deer via a 30-06 right above the spine.... it gets up and runs off... True story. I think a deer hit where this one was with a 30-06 wouldn’t be getting up and running off anywhere. True story. If below the spine maybe not, but above the spine absolutely it will run off. If that broadhead didn’t touch the spine then a bullet isn’t going to severe it either. No vitals I’ve seen 4 hit in the same spot. Leaves nasty scare, nothing else. True story
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Re: Wonder who took that shot
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01/31/19 01:22 AM
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That is one reason I don't bow hunt. I have one broadhead sitting in my shop that came from the ribcage area of a doe. Your chance of a clean kill is substantially less with a bow, than with a reasonable caliber rifle. That’s an arrow placed above the vitals. You know what happens when you accidentally shot a deer via a 30-06 right above the spine.... it gets up and runs off... True story. I think a deer hit where this one was with a 30-06 wouldn’t be getting up and running off anywhere. True story. If below the spine maybe not, but above the spine absolutely it will run off. If that broadhead didn’t touch the spine then a bullet isn’t going to severe it either. No vitals I’ve seen 4 hit in the same spot. Leaves nasty scare, nothing else. True story Nothing about that shot looks like it is above the spine. At less than 50 yards the shock from an 06 would flip that deer over and you’ve never seen a deer hit that deep, that close, walk away from a 223 or anything else. The shock from center fire rifle will break that deer down.True story.
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Re: Wonder who took that shot
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01/31/19 02:17 AM
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Re: Wonder who took that shot
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01/31/19 02:18 AM
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That is one reason I don't bow hunt. I have one broadhead sitting in my shop that came from the ribcage area of a doe. Your chance of a clean kill is substantially less with a bow, than with a reasonable caliber rifle. That’s an arrow placed above the vitals. You know what happens when you accidentally shot a deer via a 30-06 right above the spine.... it gets up and runs off... True story. I think a deer hit where this one was with a 30-06 wouldn’t be getting up and running off anywhere. True story. I've seen one hit there with a 308 get up and run off. He got killed 5 years later
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Re: Wonder who took that shot
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01/31/19 04:45 AM
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2 blade 100 grain Swhacker. That was my immediate thought. It looks just like the ones I shoot.
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Re: Wonder who took that shot
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01/31/19 11:18 AM
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That is one reason I don't bow hunt. I have one broadhead sitting in my shop that came from the ribcage area of a doe. Your chance of a clean kill is substantially less with a bow, than with a reasonable caliber rifle. That’s an arrow placed above the vitals. You know what happens when you accidentally shot a deer via a 30-06 right above the spine.... it gets up and runs off... True story. BOBO, I have personally witnessed this too. Incredible that the deer went down on the spot, and I told my daughter to reload. We watched it for nearly 5 minutes through the rifle scope and a spotting scope. It even did what looked like a death wobble. We looked back at the feeder and the deer was gone. Then I saw what was a really nice deer calmly walking away and thought it looked familiar. And then I saw the white patch just above the spine as it walked into the trees and gone forever.
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Re: Wonder who took that shot
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01/31/19 06:08 PM
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That photo helps a lot! I thought it looked like the tip of a broadhead and that there might be an entry wound on the height of the shoulder, but couldn't clearly identify what was protruding.
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Re: Wonder who took that shot
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01/31/19 08:29 PM
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That is one reason I don't bow hunt. I have one broadhead sitting in my shop that came from the ribcage area of a doe. Your chance of a clean kill is substantially less with a bow, than with a reasonable caliber rifle. That’s an arrow placed above the vitals. You know what happens when you accidentally shot a deer via a 30-06 right above the spine.... it gets up and runs off... True story. I think a deer hit where this one was with a 30-06 wouldn’t be getting up and running off anywhere. True story. I've seen one hit there with a 308 get up and run off. He got killed 5 years later Was that a True Story?
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Re: Wonder who took that shot
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01/31/19 08:39 PM
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2 blade 100 grain Swhacker. That was my immediate thought. It looks just like the ones I shoot. Considering the shot placement directly above the vitals....what do you think the chances are that it was a well placed shot that the buck ducked the string? I don't bow hunt but have seen videos posted on here showing deer ducking a shot. That would be logical for the current arrow placement... Jes curious....
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Re: Wonder who took that shot
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02/01/19 02:34 AM
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That is one reason I don't bow hunt. I have one broadhead sitting in my shop that came from the ribcage area of a doe. Your chance of a clean kill is substantially less with a bow, than with a reasonable caliber rifle. That’s an arrow placed above the vitals. You know what happens when you accidentally shot a deer via a 30-06 right above the spine.... it gets up and runs off... True story. BOBO, I have personally witnessed this too. Incredible that the deer went down on the spot, and I told my daughter to reload. We watched it for nearly 5 minutes through the rifle scope and a spotting scope. It even did what looked like a death wobble. We looked back at the feeder and the deer was gone. Then I saw what was a really nice deer calmly walking away and thought it looked familiar. And then I saw the white patch just above the spine as it walked into the trees and gone forever. It’s a heart breaker for sure, exact same thing happened to me with Springfield 30-06 when I was younger, that shoulder bone isn’t near as big as it appears either. Since seen it happen three other times, by other shooters. It’s a bad deal for sure, but good news is usually not fatal.
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Re: Wonder who took that shot
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02/01/19 02:46 AM
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Nothing about that shot looks like it is above the spine. At less than 50 yards the shock from an 06 would flip that deer over and you’ve never seen a deer hit that deep, that close, walk away from a 223 or anything else. The shock from center fire rifle will break that deer down.True story.
We could debate this for days but the spine runs lower then you think and the shoulder blade bone is smaller then you think. For a high shoulder shot with a rifle you would be shooting 4” below that protruding broadhead IMO. I can also tell you a 30-06 won’t flip a buck over at 50 years either 99 % of the time. He may drop from hitting the spine and roll over but not flip sideways off his feet. Infact I’ve hit them with a 338 at 50 yards before. Same thing either run off from lung hit,drop from severed spine, or plow from severed shoulders and hole in vitals. I had a few rear up and fall over backwards with a 257 wby at 38 yards, and a creedmoor at 300 Regardless that arrow is neither in the vitals or spine, and most likely the buck just ducked the arrow at the shot. No ones fault, it happens. It will live
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Re: Wonder who took that shot
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02/01/19 03:05 AM
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Nothing about that shot looks like it is above the spine. At less than 50 yards the shock from an 06 would flip that deer over and you’ve never seen a deer hit that deep, that close, walk away from a 223 or anything else. The shock from center fire rifle will break that deer down.True story.
We could debate this for days but the spine runs lower then you think and the shoulder blade bone is smaller then you think. For a high shoulder shot with a rifle you would be shooting 4” below that protruding broadhead IMO. I can also tell you a 30-06 won’t flip a buck over at 50 years either 99.9 % of the time. He may drop from hitting the spine and roll over but not flip sideways. Infact I’ve hit them with a 338 at 50 yards before. Same thing either run off from lung hit,drop from severed spine, or plow from severed shoulders and home in vitals. well I had a rear up and fall over backwards with a 257 wby at 38 yards, and a creedmoor at 300 Regardless that arrow is neither in the vitals or spine, and most likely the buck just ducked the arrow at the shot. No ones fault, it happens It will live I have a video of my son shooting a deer at hwyman's place with a .243 at 200 yards and that deer literally flew off it's feet. Never seen anything like it, but id does happen. There is some language in the video and my internet is slow, but I can upload it when I get to work next week if no ones believes me. I think I showed hwyman the video when he came to check on us. Not saying this is the norm by any means, but I have seen it happen once.
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Re: Wonder who took that shot
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Nothing about that shot looks like it is above the spine. At less than 50 yards the shock from an 06 would flip that deer over and you’ve never seen a deer hit that deep, that close, walk away from a 223 or anything else. The shock from center fire rifle will break that deer down.True story.
We could debate this for days but the spine runs lower then you think and the shoulder blade bone is smaller then you think. For a high shoulder shot with a rifle you would be shooting 4” below that protruding broadhead IMO. I can also tell you a 30-06 won’t flip a buck over at 50 years either 99.9 % of the time. He may drop from hitting the spine and roll over but not flip sideways. Infact I’ve hit them with a 338 at 50 yards before. Same thing either run off from lung hit,drop from severed spine, or plow from severed shoulders and home in vitals. well I had a rear up and fall over backwards with a 257 wby at 38 yards, and a creedmoor at 300 Regardless that arrow is neither in the vitals or spine, and most likely the buck just ducked the arrow at the shot. No ones fault, it happens It will live I have a video of my son shooting a deer at hwyman's place with a .243 at 200 yards and that deer literally flew off it's feet. Never seen anything like it, but id does happen. There is some language in the video and my internet is slow, but I can upload it when I get to work next week if no ones believes me. I think I showed hwyman the video when he came to check on us. Not saying this is the norm by any means, but I have seen it happen once. Did he hit it in the spine? I drop the vast majority of my deer with a rifle, either high shoulder or quartering too shoulder crease which is spine. Had a few hit the ground and roll but never flip. Not saying it can’t happen but the amount of energy it takes and How it would be needed to be displaced in a much wider swath just doesn’t articulate well with a bullet less then a 1/2” that’s most likely going to blow through
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Re: Wonder who took that shot
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That is one reason I don't bow hunt. I have one broadhead sitting in my shop that came from the ribcage area of a doe. Your chance of a clean kill is substantially less with a bow, than with a reasonable caliber rifle. That’s an arrow placed above the vitals. You know what happens when you accidentally shot a deer via a 30-06 right above the spine.... it gets up and runs off... True story. I think a deer hit where this one was with a 30-06 wouldn’t be getting up and running off anywhere. True story. True story, I got a call to bring out the dog for a big buck to find it for them. The Dog got out of the truck and stuck his nose in the air and ran past the stand and balled out and the race was onto the next property. When the dog got back I put him on the blood and a quarter mile + half circle trail with very little blood lead to a cedar tree about 100 yards behind the stand from where the deer was shot. There was a small amount of blood there and where the dog had run to the deer from winding him from about 250 yards straight line. The deer when leaving the property ahead of the dog cleared the fence with over a 20 feet jump. I told him he hit high with his 30-06 and the deer would be seen again, he said no that deer would die. 2 weeks later I got a call from same hunter and a text with a picture of the deer. The bullet exited about where this broadhead is sticking out. Looks like a Muzzy broadhead with some arrow shaft still in the deer and complete head sticking out. Tough as deer this one will most likely make it and if that little white spot is the entry wound I would suspect a poor choice of a somewhat quartering toward the archer when the shot was taken. I agree with Flintknapper about the effectiveness of archery on deer as a hunting tool but just like with a rifle the shot has to be placed in the right spot. A hit to this deer with a rifle would have resulted in it still walking around IMO.
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Re: Wonder who took that shot
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Nothing about that shot looks like it is above the spine. At less than 50 yards the shock from an 06 would flip that deer over and you’ve never seen a deer hit that deep, that close, walk away from a 223 or anything else. The shock from center fire rifle will break that deer down.True story.
We could debate this for days but the spine runs lower then you think and the shoulder blade bone is smaller then you think. For a high shoulder shot with a rifle you would be shooting 4” below that protruding broadhead IMO. I can also tell you a 30-06 won’t flip a buck over at 50 years either 99.9 % of the time. He may drop from hitting the spine and roll over but not flip sideways. Infact I’ve hit them with a 338 at 50 yards before. Same thing either run off from lung hit,drop from severed spine, or plow from severed shoulders and home in vitals. well I had a rear up and fall over backwards with a 257 wby at 38 yards, and a creedmoor at 300 Regardless that arrow is neither in the vitals or spine, and most likely the buck just ducked the arrow at the shot. No ones fault, it happens It will live I have a video of my son shooting a deer at hwyman's place with a .243 at 200 yards and that deer literally flew off it's feet. Never seen anything like it, but id does happen. There is some language in the video and my internet is slow, but I can upload it when I get to work next week if no ones believes me. I think I showed hwyman the video when he came to check on us. Not saying this is the norm by any means, but I have seen it happen once. Did he hit it in the spine? I drop the vast majority of my deer with a rifle, either high shoulder or quartering too shoulder crease which is spine. Had a few hit the ground and roll but never flip. Not saying it can’t happen but the amount of energy it takes and How it would be needed to be displaced in a much wider swath just doesn’t articulate well with a bullet less then a 1/2” that’s most likely going to blow through No, here is a pic. The pic took me about 10 minutes to upload, so the video would take me a week. I can try when I get to work next week, got good internet there. This is the exit hole. I have not seen it happen since, don't know why it happened. But both my boys, my wife and me saw it happen.
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Re: Wonder who took that shot
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yelp no spine.
Ya the whole upload stuff is weird now, some days really quick others days not so quick
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Re: Wonder who took that shot
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yelp no spine.
Ya the whole upload stuff is weird now, some days really quick others days not so quick My internet just sucks bad. I use Imagebb for my pics. It takes forever to even watch a video here. My only other option is satellite internet, and I heard way to many complaints about that.
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Re: Wonder who took that shot
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Looks to me like the deer was probably quartering a little to the hunter, and he likely lined up the shot somewhere around #2. The deer ducked the string. What happens when the deer ducks? His shoulders go up, spine goes down, you get a non-lethal hit along line #1. Had you hit a deer in the same spot as #1 with a .30-06, you might have knocked him down/out, but it would not be a lethal hit. To have such poor penetration I'm assuming it was either a long shot or a light-weight bow. Could also be that the hunter yanked the shot high, too. In either case this deer should be just fine
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Re: Wonder who took that shot
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It’s pointless to discuss what would or wouldn’t happen had it been a rifle instead of a bow because there’s no way to know without it the shot actually having been made with the rifle. You can’t speak in absolutes one way or another when it comes to predicting what is going to happen when a game animal is shot.
It’s also pointless to compare rifle vs. bow lethality because they are two entirely separate weapons that kill by two entirely separate means. Both are extremely effective when properly used, both will wound game when mistakes are made.
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