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A fun game and to settle a bet *Pleasae participate* #717782 05/12/09 06:28 PM
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I have a friend who likes to argue about calibers of rifles and the recoil effects. Now, without going into details, I would like you to list these calibers for LEAST to GREATEST recoil. Thank Y'all.
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30-06
.270
25-06
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7 MM



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Re: A fun game and to settle a bet *Pleasae participate* [Re: Rem270man] #717783 05/12/09 06:41 PM
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Of course all this depends on the gun itself, but all things being equal...

25-06
.308 (this and .270 are very close)
.270
30-06
7mm (Assume 7MM Rem Mag)
.300 (Assume .300 Win Mag)



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Re: A fun game and to settle a bet *Pleasae participate* [Re: CBHunter] #717784 05/12/09 06:45 PM
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In identical guns/platforms with similar loads...

.308
25-06
.270
30-06


7 MM
.300 (assuming magnum, not Savage!)


Re: A fun game and to settle a bet *Pleasae participate* [Re: CBHunter] #717785 05/12/09 06:46 PM
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Wouldnt it just be a funtion of load weight and fps? Meaning you could have the same caliber but have a softer or harder recoil based on the fps. Other than that the gun itself, as CBHunter points out, would have a major impact on the felt recoil as well.

Also you have actual recoil and felt recoil...I think most are more concerned with the felt recoil.



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Re: A fun game and to settle a bet *Pleasae participate* [Re: sig226fan (Rguns.com)] #717786 05/12/09 06:52 PM
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In identical guns/platforms with similar loads...

.308
25-06
.270
30-06


7 MM
.300 (assuming magnum, not Savage!)



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Re: A fun game and to settle a bet *Pleasae participate* [Re: sig226fan (Rguns.com)] #717787 05/12/09 06:52 PM
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In identical guns/platforms with similar loads...

.308
25-06
.270
30-06


7 MM
.300 (assuming magnum, not Savage!)




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Re: A fun game and to settle a bet *Pleasae participate* [Re: 1000YRDSTARE] #717788 05/12/09 06:58 PM
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I beg to differ with the rest of you...25-06 does not have more recoil than a .308. Even at 150 grain bullet.



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Re: A fun game and to settle a bet *Pleasae participate* [Re: CBHunter] #717789 05/12/09 07:08 PM
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ok you might be right
8th Edition, various online recoil calculators, the Remington Shoot! program or calculated from the formula given in the Lyman Reloading Handbook, 43rd Edition.




Cartridge (Wb@MV) Rifle Weight Recoil energy Recoil velocity
.17 HMR (17 at 2550) 7.5 0.2 n/a
.204 Ruger (33 at 4225) 8.5 2.6 4.4
.22 LR (40 at 1165) 4.0 0.2 n/a
.22 WMR (40 at 1910) 6.75 0.4 n/a
.22 Hornet (45 at 2800) 7.5 1.3 3.3
.222 Rem. (50 at 3200) 7.5 3.0 5.1
.223 Rem. (55 at 3200) 8.0 3.2 5.1
.223 Rem. (62 at 3025) 7.0 3.9 6.0
.22-250 Rem. (55 at 3600) 8.5 4.7 6.0
.220 Swift (55 at 3800) 8.5 5.3 6.4
.223 WSSM (55 at 3850) 7.5 6.4 7.4
.243 Win. (75 at 3400) 8.5 7.2 7.4
.243 Win. (100 at 2960) 7.5 8.8 8.7
6mm Rem. (100 at 3100) 8.0 10.0 9.0
.243 WSSM (100 at 3100) 7.5 10.1 9.3
.240 Wby. Mag. (100 at 3406) 8.0 17.9 n/a
.25-35 Win. (117 at 2230) 6.5 7.0 8.3
.250 Savage (100 at 2900) 7.5 7.8 8.2
.257 Roberts (120 at 2800) 8.0 10.7 9.3
.25 WSSM (120 at 2990) 7.25 13.8 11.1
.25-06 Rem. (120 at 3000) 8.0 12.5 10.0
.257 Wby. Mag. (120 at 3300) 9.25 15.1 10.3
6.5x55 Swede (140 at 2650) 9.0 10.6 8.7
.260 Rem. (120 at 2860) 7.5 13.0 10.6
6.5mm-284 Norma (140 at 2920) 8.0 14.7 10.9
6.5mm Rem. Mag. (120 at 3100) 8.0 13.1 10.3
6.5x68 S (140 at 2990) 8.5 16.8 11.3
.264 Win. Mag. (140 at 3200) 8.5 19.2 12.1
6.8mm Rem. SPC (115 at 2625) 7.5 8.0 8.3
.270 Win. (130 at 3140) 8.0 16.5 n/a
.270 Win. (150 at 2900) 8.0 17.0 11.7
.270 WSM (150 at 3000) 8.0 18.9 12.3
.270 Wby. Mag. (150 at 3000) 9.25 17.8 11.1
7x57 Mauser (139 at 2800) 8.0 14.0 10.6
7mm-08 Rem. (140 at 2860) 8.0 12.6 10.1
7x64 (154 at 2850) 8.0 17.9 n/a
.280 Rem. (140 at 3000) 8.0 17.2 11.8
7mm Rem. SAUM (160 at 2931) 8.0 21.5 13.2
7mm WSM (160 at 3000) 8.0 21.9 13.3
7mm Rem. Mag. (150 at 3100) 8.5 19.2 12.1
7mm Wby. Mag. (140 at 3300) 9.25 19.5 11.7
7mm STW (160 at 3185) 8.5 27.9 14.6
7mm Ultra Mag. (160 at 3200) 8.5 29.4 n/a
.30 Carbine (110 at 1990) 7.0 3.5 5.7
.30-30 Win. (150 at 2400) 7.5 10.6 9.5
.30-30 Win. (170 at 2200) 7.5 11.0 9.7
.300 Sav. (150 at 2630) 7.5 14.8 n/a
.307 Win. (150 at 2600) 7.5 13.7 10.9
.308 Marlin Express (160 at 2660) 8.0 13.4 10.4
.308 Win. (150 at 2800) 7.5 15.8 11.7
.308 Win. (180 at 2610) 8.0 17.5 11.9
.30-06 Spfd. (150 at 2910) 8.0 17.6 11.9
.30-06 Spfd. (180 at 2700) 8.0 20.3 12.8
.300 Rem. SAUM (180 at 2960) 8.25 23.5 13.6
.300 WSM (180 at 2970) 8.25 23.8 13.6
.300 Win. Mag. (180 at 2960) 8.5 25.9 14.0
.300 Wby. Mag. (150 at 3400) 9.25 24.6 13.1
.300 Ultra Mag. (180 at 3230) 8.5 32.8 15.8
7.62x39 Soviet (125 at 2350) 7.0 6.9 8.0
7.62x54R Russian (174 at 2600) 9.0 15.0 10.4
.303 British (180 at 2420) 8.0 15.4 11.1
.32 Spec. (170 at 2250) 7.0 12.2 10.6
8x57 Mauser (170 at 2360) 8.0 12.9 n/a
.325 WSM (180 at 3060) 7.5 33.1 16.9
8x68 S (150 at 3300) 8.5 25.3 13.9
8mm Rem. Mag. (200 at 2900) 8.5 32.9 15.8
.338 Marlin Express (200 at 2400) 8.0 16.2 11.4
.338-57 O'Connor (200 at 2400) 8.0 19.2 12.4
.338 Federal (210 at 2630) 8.0 21.9 13.3
.338-06 A-Square (250 at 2500) 8.5 28.2 14.6
.338 Win. Mag. (200 at 2950) 8.5 32.8 15.8
.338 Win. Mag. (250 at 2700) 9.0 33.1 15.4
.340 Wby. Mag. (200 at 3100) 10.0 29.6 13.8
.338 Ultra Mag (250 at 2860) 8.5 43.1 n/a
.357 Mag. (158 at 1650) 7.0 4.7 6.6
.35 Rem. (200 at 2050) 7.5 13.5 10.8
.358 Win. (200 at 2490) 8.0 20.9 13.0
.35 Whelen (200 at 2675) 8.0 22.6 13.5
.350 Rem. Mag. (200 at 2700) 8.5 22.3 13.0
9.3x62 (270 at 2550) 8.5 33.3 n/a
9.3x74R (286 at 2400) 8.25 34.3 16.6
.375 Ruger (270 at 2840) 9.0 41.3 17.2
.375 H&H Mag. (270 at 2690) 9.0 36.1 16.1
.375 Ultra Mag (300 at 2800) 8.75 53.2 n/a
.378 Wby. Mag. (300 at 2900) 10.25 71.1 n/a
.405 Win. (300 at 2200) 8.0 30.6 15.7
.416 Rem. Mag. (400 at 2400) 10.0 52.9 18.5
.416 Rigby (400 at 2400) 10.0 58.1 19.3
.44 Rem. Mag. (240 at 1760) 7.5 11.2 9.8
.444 Marlin (240 at 2400) 7.5 23.3 14.2
.45 Colt (255 at 1100) 8.0 4.0 5.6
.450 Marlin (350 at 2000) 7.0 37.2 18.5
.45-70 (300 at 1800) 7.0 23.9 14.8
.45-70 (405 at 1330) 7.5 18.7 12.7
.458 Win. Mag. (500 at 2100) 9.0 62.3 21.1
.458 Lott (500 at 2300) 10.0 70.4 21.3
.460 Wby. Mag. (500 at 2600) 11.25 99.6 n/a
.470 N.E. (500 at 2150) 11.0 69.3 20.1
.50 BMG (647 at 2710) 30.0 70.0 12.3


Re: A fun game and to settle a bet *Pleasae participate* [Re: sig226fan (Rguns.com)] #717790 05/12/09 08:48 PM
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In identical guns/platforms with similar loads...

.308
25-06
.270
30-06


7 MM
.300 (assuming magnum, not Savage!)



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Re: A fun game and to settle a bet *Pleasae participate* [Re: fastliberator] #717791 05/12/09 09:13 PM
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Assuming all the same rifle, with average loads for each caliber. Here's what I'd think.

25-06
.308
.270
30-06
7 MM
.300



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Re: A fun game and to settle a bet *Pleasae participate* [Re: CBHunter] #717792 05/12/09 09:15 PM
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Of course all this depends on the gun itself, but all things being equal...

25-06
.308 (this and .270 are very close)
.270
30-06
7mm (Assume 7MM Rem Mag)
.300 (Assume .300 Win Mag)





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I beg to differ with the rest of you...25-06 does not have more recoil than a .308. Even at 150 grain bullet.





Re: A fun game and to settle a bet *Pleasae participate* [Re: psycho0819] #717794 05/12/09 09:33 PM
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Assuming all the same rifle, with average loads for each caliber. Here's what I'd think.

25-06
.308
.270
30-06
7 MM
.300




x2 there is a big jump in recoil in my opinion after 270/308



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I have a friend who likes to argue about calibers of rifles and the recoil effects. Now, without going into details, I would like you to list these calibers for LEAST to GREATEST recoil. Thank Y'all.
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30-06
.270
25-06
.300
.308
7 MM




30-06 and .308 were designed to be ballistically equivalent. One was a prill powder design, the other uses less space with its ball powder configuration and therefore uses less brass which gives a material gain but also a higher cyclic rate in autos. They should kick about the same and I would lump the .270 in with them.

So, my no-cost-to-you opinion, assuming bolt action rifles, and similar weight bullets is as follows:

25-06
30-06 - .270 - .308
7 MM
.300

Even so, the 7mm always feels like a sudden smack and the .300 more like a push (but by no means gentle) so it's kind of different, too, just in how the recoil comes.





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Of course all this depends on the gun itself, but all things being equal...

25-06
.308 (this and .270 are very close)
.270
30-06
7mm (Assume 7MM Rem Mag)
.300 (Assume .300 Win Mag)




plus 1 25-06 a little less than the 308


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I have a friend who likes to argue about calibers of rifles and the recoil effects. Now, without going into details, I would like you to list these calibers for LEAST to GREATEST recoil. Thank Y'all.


30-06
.270
25-06
.300
.308
7 MM




30-06 and .308 were designed to be ballistically equivalent. One was a prill powder design, the other uses less space with its ball powder configuration and therefore uses less brass which gives a material gain but also a higher cyclic rate in autos. They should kick about the same and I would lump the .270 in with them.

So, my no-cost-to-you opinion, assuming bolt action rifles, and similar weight bullets is as follows:

25-06
30-06 - .270 - .308
7 MM
.300

Even so, the 7mm always feels like a sudden smack and the .300 more like a push (but by no means gentle) so it's kind of different, too, just in how the recoil comes.




whens the last time you shot those 3 calibers cause a 30-06 kicks like a mule when compared to a 270 or a 308
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whens the last time you shot those 3 calibers cause a 30-06 kicks like a mule when compared to a 270 or a 308





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http://www.handloads.com/calc/recoil.asp

It depends entirely on muzzle velocity, bullet weight, powder weight, and weight of firearm.

Of course this is the calculated recoil not "felt recoil."

Felt recoil can be affected by recoil pads, muzzle brakes, single shot vs. semi-auto, shape of the stock, clothing, on and on.

There are too many variables to answer the question correctly. How's that for a cop-out?



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whens the last time you shot those 3 calibers cause a 30-06 kicks like a mule when compared to a 270 or a 308





took the words right out of my mouth




If you shoot 220s out of your 30-06 and 150s out of your .308, it will certainly seem like that. Just using the info from DavKind's post, for 180s out of both, the calculator shows 14% difference. 3 more energy units (unspecified) delivered over 7% more time. Not sure that's enough to make me stop and scratch my head and think, "Wow, that's a lot." Actually, I'm sure it's not, that's probably why I said what I said

The 270 kicks harder in the same time frame than the .308 according to the calculator but, again, not enough to have me making a fuss about it.


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In identical guns/platforms with similar loads...

.308
25-06
.270
30-06


7 MM
.300 (assuming magnum, not Savage!)



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x3... but in all reality, say all shot out of 700bdls, there shouldn't be much of a difference between any of them if held properly. So might as well shoot the last one on the list


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Assuming all the same rifle, with average loads for each caliber. Here's what I'd think.

25-06
.308
.270
30-06
7 MM
.300




x2 there is a big jump in recoil in my opinion after 270/308




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Assuming all the same rifle, with average loads for each caliber. Here's what I'd think.

25-06
.308
.270
30-06
7 MM
.300




x2 there is a big jump in recoil in my opinion after 270/308




x one more (but I am no expert, just another free opinion)



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