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Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer [Re: JSAPP] #6731220 04/10/17 11:20 PM
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Sapper, funny thing is I am in the same boat, most kills from a sounder was 4 and shot with a bolt action 22-250 using an X-sight gen 1....what are the odds.

I think for sure I have killed more pigs than 4 on occasion, just didn't recover them, with my main pig/varmint rig which is a 5.56 AR shooting 55gr soft points and a Thor 336 mounted on it.


I can guarantee I wouldn't have gotten the triple of coyotes I shot a few years back with the bolt action!



And, I am convinced I could drop a few deer with that rig if I needed to.

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Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer [Re: jeffbird] #6731235 04/10/17 11:45 PM
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"If the young guys want to use an AR, again available in many rounds more powerful than 223, I am just glad they are interested in shooting and hunting and welcome them. If they would benefit from better skills and safety, then help them, but be glad they are on our side."


Well said.

Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer [Re: Texas Dan] #6731249 04/10/17 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted By: Texas Dan

Yes, very similar to a deer rifle but with a much heavier barrel for increased accuracy.

I seem to remember that at least one of the favored sniper guns was based on the Remington Model 700 design.


Myth that a heavy barrel makes for more accuracy for one shot. It makes for a heavier barrel for consistency after repeated shots.

There's also a good chance that Sniper is holding a Winchester model 70. I read the book several years ago, and don't remember exactly the rifle he was carrying.


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Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer [Re: budward] #6731254 04/11/17 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted By: budward
However, most will agree a bolt-action just makes more sense and is more accurate hands down.


That's generally correct.

And of the 300 million people in America, the lion's share of ARs out there shoot tighter than those people can shoot.


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Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer [Re: budward] #6731262 04/11/17 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted By: budward
Sure seems like the people who use the term "trolling" are really just people that can't handle differences of opinion. Quit getting so butt-hurt. It's ok to disagree with someone!


I think the deal is, it's perfectly fine to hunt with a semi-auto in an appropriate cartridge. However, most will agree a bolt-action just makes more sense and is more accurate hands down.

The problem is, a good majority of the people who use semi-auto's are idiots and give the legit hunters a bad rep.


What about the old Remington 742? There's no telling how many deer my Grandpa shot with his, and it was a .243. I shoot it every now and then just to connect with him.

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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Originally Posted By: Texas Dan

Yes, very similar to a deer rifle but with a much heavier barrel for increased accuracy.

I seem to remember that at least one of the favored sniper guns was based on the Remington Model 700 design.


Myth that a heavy barrel makes for more accuracy for one shot. It makes for a heavier barrel for consistency after repeated shots.

There's also a good chance that Sniper is holding a Winchester model 70. I read the book several years ago, and don't remember exactly the rifle he was carrying.


Yes, that is an off the shelf commercial Model 70 Target model.

http://www.winchesterguns.com/news/articles/winchester-model-70-in-vietnam.html


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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
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However, most will agree a bolt-action just makes more sense and is more accurate hands down.


That's generally correct.

And of the 300 million people in America, the lion's share of ARs out there shoot tighter than those people can shoot.


I have one that can get 3 touching at 100 every time I do my part, but it's a .223 wylde, so it don't count for this discussion.

Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer [Re: jeffbird] #6731270 04/11/17 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted By: jeffbird
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Originally Posted By: Texas Dan

Yes, very similar to a deer rifle but with a much heavier barrel for increased accuracy.

I seem to remember that at least one of the favored sniper guns was based on the Remington Model 700 design.


Myth that a heavy barrel makes for more accuracy for one shot. It makes for a heavier barrel for consistency after repeated shots.

There's also a good chance that Sniper is holding a Winchester model 70. I read the book several years ago, and don't remember exactly the rifle he was carrying.


Yes, that is an off the shelf commercial Model 70 Target model.

http://www.winchesterguns.com/news/articles/winchester-model-70-in-vietnam.html


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Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer [Re: RockinU] #6731283 04/11/17 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted By: budward
Sure seems like the people who use the term "trolling" are really just people that can't handle differences of opinion. Quit getting so butt-hurt. It's ok to disagree with someone!


I think the deal is, it's perfectly fine to hunt with a semi-auto in an appropriate cartridge. However, most will agree a bolt-action just makes more sense and is more accurate hands down.

The problem is, a good majority of the people who use semi-auto's are idiots and give the legit hunters a bad rep.


What about the old Remington 742? There's no telling how many deer my Grandpa shot with his, and it was a .243. I shoot it every now and then just to connect with him.


cheers up You get it. My go-to for many years has been my old Savage 243. It has literally killed tons of animals. Someday it will belong to one of my Son's. cheers

Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer [Re: Bucks and Ducks] #6731296 04/11/17 12:41 AM
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wow this is still going..........








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That is a photograph of Lance Corporal Dalton Gunderson, the rifle is a modified Winchester Model 70

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Bolt action deer rifle? Doesn't look like he is hunting deer.



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Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer [Re: Palehorse] #6731421 04/11/17 02:57 AM
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Bolt action deer rifle? Doesn't look like he is hunting deer.



Could be wrong, but I doubt you'll see a .223 sniper rifle. Just far too light a bullet for single shots made with any distance to them. I know Chris Kyle's favorite was the .300 Win Mag.


Chris Kyle wasn't a single gun sniper. He chose the weapon for the job, for which many he used the MK-12 in 5.56. https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2012/6/18/americas-deadliest-sniper/


Cool article. Here is one quote from it though. "Several times he shot insurgents at close range with 5.56 mm rounds and they did not halt, causing him to question the cartridges effectiveness. That ineffectiveness may have been caused by drugs."


So, it's highly ineffective if you feed your deer Buck Crack?

Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer [Re: JSAPP] #6731468 04/11/17 08:57 AM
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I carry an AR-15 for work and I hunt with anything except an AR-15.

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I guess it's all been said five times, so everyone is done. hanged
No, it just starts over again and again and again. It never is over. It just starts again.

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Real hunters use a bolt. 223 is too small for gophers. popcorn

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Elmer Kieth once described the .270 as a "damned adequate coyote rifle". Granted he was probably doing it to gig Jack O'Connor and his pet rifle...

Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer [Re: Nogalus Prairie] #6732537 04/12/17 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted By: Nogalus Prairie
Never understood why so many people get so worked up/bothered by internet discussions just because they may have some back-and-forth "heat" to them.

1)It's just an internet forum. Ain't nobody gonna bite anybody. If a thread upsets your sensibilities there are several easy options - not clicking on the "offensive" thread comes to mind.

2)It's hilarious to see folks on here who are obviously all frothing at the mouth calling everyone else "snowflakes", when they are obviously genuinely butthurt simply because someone disagreed with them on a internet forum. Lol, who's the real "snowflake"?

3)With some "heat" always comes "light". Threads with a little "back-and-forth" with different opinions are always a place to discover new perspectives and test old ones. For both "sides".

4)Longer discussion threads are simply more entertaining and engaging. This thread has 1773 views and 157 responses. And that's a bad thing? What do you gripers want? A forum full of "Here's what I'm eating" threads with 5 responses? confused2

Many folks just want to post up, have everyone else agree that they are absolutely spot-on correct, and declare them King of the Topic. It simply doesn't work that way. And it would be a boring place if it did.

Maybe I just enjoy the "back-and-forth" because of my profession IDK.....


Says the guy that hits the notify button everytime he gets his feelings hurt. rofl


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Never understood why so many people get so worked up/bothered by internet discussions just because they may have some back-and-forth "heat" to them.

1)It's just an internet forum. Ain't nobody gonna bite anybody. If a thread upsets your sensibilities there are several easy options - not clicking on the "offensive" thread comes to mind.

2)It's hilarious to see folks on here who are obviously all frothing at the mouth calling everyone else "snowflakes", when they are obviously genuinely butthurt simply because someone disagreed with them on a internet forum. Lol, who's the real "snowflake"?

3)With some "heat" always comes "light". Threads with a little "back-and-forth" with different opinions are always a place to discover new perspectives and test old ones. For both "sides".

4)Longer discussion threads are simply more entertaining and engaging. This thread has 1773 views and 157 responses. And that's a bad thing? What do you gripers want? A forum full of "Here's what I'm eating" threads with 5 responses? confused2

Many folks just want to post up, have everyone else agree that they are absolutely spot-on correct, and declare them King of the Topic. It simply doesn't work that way. And it would be a boring place if it did.

Maybe I just enjoy the "back-and-forth" because of my profession IDK.....


Says the guy that hits the notify button everytime he gets his feelings hurt. rofl


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Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer [Re: JSAPP] #6732661 04/12/17 01:38 PM
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As long as you are proficient with your weapon, I don't care what you hunt with.

Here's some entertainment while you ponder these important life questions....
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The way I see it, a supersonic .300 blackout has almost as much energy as a 30/30, which I love as a deer round. I wouldn't try to shoot past 150yds but I have no issue with them.

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They really oughta change this to california hunting forum with all the sissy fits around here. Someone else's opinion on an internet forum should not bother you.

That being said, There is nothing wrong with using an AR style weapon as long as you are shooting an appropriate sized round to ethically, and accurately put down the game animal you are hunting.

But you still look like an idiot toting that AR around in the woods, just saying. Not that you should care what I think.

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You can't fall in love with an AR, it's cold, black, and has no emotion. Just slam, bam, and thank you mam. An old bolt with scars, dent, scratches will talk to you for years. Just like it did with your dad and his dad.

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