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Re: Opinons on the Scout Rifle concept? [Re: okstatefan] #6720361 03/31/17 01:07 AM
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I've shot a Ruger scout in .308 for some time now. I just couldn't get myself to go with the forward mounted scope though. Ruger is kind enough to provide traditional rings with it though, and it makes for a good shooting handy rifle. Sorry Mr.Cooper....

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Originally Posted By: Nogalus Prairie
That makes sense. Seems like the semi-auto setup fits the bill of fast target acquisition much moreso than a bolt rifle. Also seems that, as mentioned above, the emergence of red dot sights has largely rendered the quick acquisition advantages of a forward mounted scope obsolete.


Enough time with a bolt action, and one can become very fast with one.


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The low power, long eye relief scope has a definite edge for precision shooting,
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Think about that statement for a couple of minutes...I say B.S.! roflmao

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The Scout rifle I have is a M1A scout rifle. Tried 2 different scopes and found it neither as fast on target acquisition or accuracy as a conventional setup. That is a sweet rifle but after trying it I decided the forward setup is not for me.


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Originally Posted By: DH3

The low power, long eye relief scope has a definite edge for precision shooting,


It is really quite simple.

Most red dot sights give you a big, easy to see dot.

The scope gives you cross-hairs, and a bit of magnification.

At closer distances, this does not matter. As you go farther out though, that dot obscures an awful lot of your target, and the bit of magnification provided by the scope makes the more distant target (and your more precise aiming point) quite a bit easier to see.

From another topic here:
Originally Posted By: okstatefan
I've have two modern sporting rifles in .223. One has a red dot, the other has a 1-6 scope. Even though the red dot is of high quality (Aimpoint PRO), the 1-6 scope is much more versatile. I can hit a pie pan all day with the red dot at 100yd. I can hit 2" groups all day with the 1-6 at 100 yards.


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So hitting a pie pan at 100 yards is YOUR definition of precision shooting ?? roflmao roflmao roflmao


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Originally Posted By: DH3
So hitting a pie pan at 100 yards is YOUR definition of precision shooting ?? roflmao roflmao roflmao


I don't think a scout setup would be for precision shooting with any optic. For me, precision shooting is not very interesting. The only time I shoot from a bench is sighting in or load development.I rarely ever shoot at paper.

Re: Opinons on the Scout Rifle concept? [Re: okstatefan] #6721051 03/31/17 07:46 PM
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Just read thru the comments on this thread and count the number of people that have tried the "Scout"
concept and ended up selling off their mistake.


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Re: Opinons on the Scout Rifle concept? [Re: okstatefan] #6721066 03/31/17 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted By: okstatefan
My lever actions are 1892 replicas with only iron sights and not many options for scope mounts. My bolt actions are traditional short eye relief.

I have five Rossi 92 scouts; 357 Mag, 44 Mag, 45 Colt, 454 Casull, and 480 Ruger.



I also own three Marlin XS Scouts; 1894P ~ 44 Mag, 336D ~ 35 Rem, and 444P ~ 444 Marlin.



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My Mini-30 is a scout as well. Yeah, like the concept for my hunting.


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So hitting a pie pan at 100 yards is YOUR definition of precision shooting ?? roflmao roflmao roflmao


And here I thought the 8" plate I hit at 800, yesterday was precision shooting. confused2


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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
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So hitting a pie pan at 100 yards is YOUR definition of precision shooting ?? roflmao roflmao roflmao


And here I thought the 8" plate I hit at 800, yesterday was precision shooting. confused2

No, that's pretty cool.

I have a 300-yard range, and my bolt scouts don't have any problems connecting with a 10" plate out there with scope or receiver sights. I'm simply a hunter, though, and the only way I could shoot at a critter at that distance would be if the critter were on my range standing in front of the 300-yard berm. I would not take that shot though as I would have more fun and with my ability to close the distance. The average shot distance here on my South Texas place is probably around 70 yards because of the habitat.


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I've never seen anyone buy more than one Rossi firearm.

Re: Opinons on the Scout Rifle concept? [Re: Sneaky] #6721145 03/31/17 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted By: Sneaky
I've never seen anyone buy more than one Rossi firearm.

I like my 92s, I've killed a lot of critters with them. I actually like them better than the Marlin 1894 series, and I own or have owned every rifle made in that series. I also own three Rio Grande's; the 45-70 Govt, 30-30 Win, and I had another RG 30-30 rebored/rechambered to 38-55 Win. Killed a bunch of critters with them.


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Originally Posted By: DH3
Just read thru the comments on this thread and count the number of people that have tried the "Scout"
concept and ended up selling off their mistake.


Or - who didn't get the point of it, which seems to happen more often.

Not everybody can understand everything, that's how it goes.


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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Originally Posted By: DH3
So hitting a pie pan at 100 yards is YOUR definition of precision shooting ?? roflmao roflmao roflmao


And here I thought the 8" plate I hit at 800, yesterday was precision shooting. confused2


Were you using a scout rifle with either a red dot, or a low power LER scope?

The other day I was shooting golf balls at 75 yards with my .22LR bolt gun. - That was precision shooting for that particular type of firearm.


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Originally Posted By: Sneaky
I've never seen anyone buy more than one Rossi firearm.


If you want a strong lever gun, the 92 action is the way to go.

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So hitting a pie pan at 100 yards is YOUR definition of precision shooting ?? roflmao roflmao roflmao


And here I thought the 8" plate I hit at 800, yesterday was precision shooting. confused2


Were you using a scout rifle with either a red dot, or a low power LER scope?



Nope, don't have a use for one.

8" plate at 100 isn't very "precise" even for that rig. A pistol with irons would be "precise".


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Originally Posted By: Sneaky
I've never seen anyone buy more than one Rossi firearm.


I was kind of curious about this statement. I have a 16" stainless steel M92 in 38/357. It is one of my family's favorite firearms. I slicked the action up a bit, took a couple of coils out of the magazine spring, and eased the edges on the loading gate a bit. Other than that, it has been quite fantastic. Having recently acquired a Blackhawk 45 convertible, I'm likely going to add another m92 in 45 Colt.

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Originally Posted By: okstatefan
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I've never seen anyone buy more than one Rossi firearm.


I was kind of curious about this statement. I have a 16" stainless steel M92 in 38/357. It is one of my family's favorite firearms. I slicked the action up a bit, took a couple of coils out of the magazine spring, and eased the edges on the loading gate a bit. Other than that, it has been quite fantastic. Having recently acquired a Blackhawk 45 convertible, I'm likely going to add another m92 in 45 Colt.

Same here, I would be hard pressed ever to let my Rossi 92s go. I don't target shoot or plink, but I do end up shooting a bunch. I typically will kill about 25 to 35 hogs a year. Just a few years back, I killed 67 hogs with the five 92s I have. Didn't miss or lose any hog I shot at so I'm not sure what else you ask for from a firearm. Every one of the rifles shot a whitetail that year as well.

Out of the box, I've found that the metal is deep blued and finished well. The wood is plain but fitted well. Rossi uses Rubberwood, a common Brazilan hardwood, and a water based finish. The stock needs attention but lends itself well to finishes such as Tru-oil. It is sanded smooth, and you can leech the stain off with wet paper towels. From there, all it takes is a tack cloth and whatever finish you prefer using. I used the complete Tru-Oil process and others that see my rifle think that the stocks are walnut. Here is my 480 Ruger with the Tru-Oil finished rubberwood.



This rifle was not an SRC like the Rossi marketed Scouts. Since this picture, I've added the saddle ring because a saddle ring sling is the original single point carry. Everyone thinks that the ring was to attach the rifle to the saddle, but it was to attach the rifle to the rider in case the rider departed the saddle. I can slide the rifle around to the middle of my back and climb a 52' windmill with ease, slide it around if needed, and shoot.

As mentioned, all of my R92 are scout scoped. Not for the need of hitting targets within the confines of the short straight-walled cartridges but hunting here in South Texas which means the first and last light of the day against the brush background. I also do a lot of night hog hunting, every full moon. I did have a 6th R92, a second 357 Mag, that had the open sights but never found a use for it. A friend wanted it, so it left. As a note, all round barrel R92 of Braztech manufacture, not "A. Rossi" rifles, are drilled and tapped for the P892 Weaver style scope base. That base hasn't been available for about two years now but NOE Bullet Moulds makes a P892 Picatinny rail specifically for the R92. The owner is a friend of mine, and he offered it at my request. He also offers a clear finish on the rail for the stainless rifles. I know some R92 owners that insisted their rifles were not D&T until I knocked the rear sight out of the dovetail. As long as that sight is on the barrel, you cannot see the holes.

You mentioned the 45 Colt and it is probably my favorite and well suited for my whitetail and hog hunting. I shoot a 290-grain bullet of my design at 1775 FPS. I known, I know the precision long range guys are dropping a load reading that but it knocks a whitetail or hog off its feet and does so every time I pull the trigger. This is my 100-yard sight in when my rifle was new before the wood was refinished so that can be used as a comparison with the 480 Ruger picture above.



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Thanks for the link to the scout mount Ranch Dog! Could I still use iron sights with Steve's Gunz safety peep sight and the scout mount installed?

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Thanks for the link to the scout mount Ranch Dog! Could I still use iron sights with Steve's Gunz safety peep sight and the scout mount installed?

No, not without removing the base.


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I've never seen anyone buy more than one Rossi firearm.


I was kind of curious about this statement. I have a 16" stainless steel M92 in 38/357. It is one of my family's favorite firearms. I slicked the action up a bit, took a couple of coils out of the magazine spring, and eased the edges on the loading gate a bit. Other than that, it has been quite fantastic. Having recently acquired a Blackhawk 45 convertible, I'm likely going to add another m92 in 45 Colt.

Same here, I would be hard pressed ever to let my Rossi 92s go. I don't target shoot or plink, but I do end up shooting a bunch. I typically will kill about 25 to 35 hogs a year. Just a few years back, I killed 67 hogs with the five 92s I have. Didn't miss or lose any hog I shot at so I'm not sure what else you ask for from a firearm. Every one of the rifles shot a whitetail that year as well.

Out of the box, I've found that the metal is deep blued and finished well. The wood is plain but fitted well. Rossi uses Rubberwood, a common Brazilan hardwood, and a water based finish. The stock needs attention but lends itself well to finishes such as Tru-oil. It is sanded smooth, and you can leech the stain off with wet paper towels. From there, all it takes is a tack cloth and whatever finish you prefer using. I used the complete Tru-Oil process and others that see my rifle think that the stocks are walnut. Here is my 480 Ruger with the Tru-Oil finished rubberwood.



This rifle was not an SRC like the Rossi marketed Scouts. Since this picture, I've added the saddle ring because a saddle ring sling is the original single point carry. Everyone thinks that the ring was to attach the rifle to the saddle, but it was to attach the rifle to the rider in case the rider departed the saddle. I can slide the rifle around to the middle of my back and climb a 52' windmill with ease, slide it around if needed, and shoot.

As mentioned, all of my R92 are scout scoped. Not for the need of hitting targets within the confines of the short straight-walled cartridges but hunting here in South Texas which means the first and last light of the day against the brush background. I also do a lot of night hog hunting, every full moon. I did have a 6th R92, a second 357 Mag, that had the open sights but never found a use for it. A friend wanted it, so it left. As a note, all round barrel R92 of Braztech manufacture, not "A. Rossi" rifles, are drilled and tapped for the P892 Weaver style scope base. That base hasn't been available for about two years now but NOE Bullet Moulds makes a P892 Picatinny rail specifically for the R92. The owner is a friend of mine, and he offered it at my request. He also offers a clear finish on the rail for the stainless rifles. I know some R92 owners that insisted their rifles were not D&T until I knocked the rear sight out of the dovetail. As long as that sight is on the barrel, you cannot see the holes.

You mentioned the 45 Colt and it is probably my favorite and well suited for my whitetail and hog hunting. I shoot a 290-grain bullet of my design at 1775 FPS. I known, I know the precision long range guys are dropping a load reading that but it knocks a whitetail or hog off its feet and does so every time I pull the trigger. This is my 100-yard sight in when my rifle was new before the wood was refinished so that can be used as a comparison with the 480 Ruger picture above.



Very nice work on the stock, the sight-in group not so much.


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Very nice work on the stock, the sight-in group not so much.

Thanks. Concerning the group, I don't expect a precision distance shooter to get it and it doesn't bother me that they don't. That group, the 45 Colt, has killed every hog and deer that it has been applied toward.


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Originally Posted By: okstatefan
My lever actions are 1892 replicas with only iron sights and not many options for scope mounts. My bolt actions are traditional short eye relief.

I have five Rossi 92 scouts; 357 Mag, 44 Mag, 45 Colt, 454 Casull, and 480 Ruger.



I also own three Marlin XS Scouts; 1894P ~ 44 Mag, 336D ~ 35 Rem, and 444P ~ 444 Marlin.



In bolt actioned rifles:
  • Rem 600 ~ 35 Rem
  • Savage 10 FCM ~ 308 Win
  • Savage 10FCM ~ 7.62x39
  • Savage 11 ~ 308 Win
  • Savage 340 ~ 30-30 Win
  • SMLE No 4 Mk1 XS Scout ~ 303 British

My Mini-30 is a scout as well. Yeah, like the concept for my hunting.
whats a good round of the ones you listed for shooting hawgs? I always wanted a lever gun.


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