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 Re: Poison approved to control feral hogs
[Re: krmitchell]
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02/26/17 09:37 PM
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Bring on the Poison, about time we got an effective way to control these pest. I hate hogs and all the damage they do. Between myself and other neighbors we will be poisoning on over 5000 acres. Let the bodies hit the ground.
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Re: Poison approved to control feral hogs
[Re: SnakeWrangler]
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02/26/17 09:50 PM
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JMO but I'd rather see the scientists find a way to interrupt the breeding cycle of hogs. Not crazy about the idea of using poison on animals that other animals eat. ....and that people eat..... Exactly. You're method of cooking pigs is something I'm gonna try. And it wouldn't show "blue fat". Sid Miller got paid for that policy. The people of Texas should make sure he serves only one term. Only an idiot or someone on the take would think poisoning a food source is a good idea. Fwiw I lose thousands of dollars each year to hogs. But I'm not so ignorant that I think it's wise to poison them.
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Re: Poison approved to control feral hogs
[Re: krmitchell]
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02/26/17 10:20 PM
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I guess Hog hunting is going HF preferred.......... 
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Re: Poison approved to control feral hogs
[Re: krmitchell]
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02/27/17 02:19 AM
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They should force public disclosure of bait sites, amounts used, dates administered etc. At least give folks in the area a heads up so they don't feed their family hogs that were poisoned.
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Re: Poison approved to control feral hogs
[Re: krmitchell]
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02/27/17 03:03 AM
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In all of the arguments about pigs one thing really chaps my arse. So much groaning about crop and other damage by hogs. The damage done by whitetail deer in this country is far greater.
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Re: Poison approved to control feral hogs
[Re: krmitchell]
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02/27/17 03:43 AM
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That is a fairly well written and researched article. I didn't see that it mentioned that Australia had banned Warfarin.
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Re: Poison approved to control feral hogs
[Re: krmitchell]
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02/27/17 04:42 AM
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I don't know the answer to this problem but it seems to me between farmers wanting them gone, hunters willing to shoot them and poor people in need of a cheap source of meat... there has to be a better solution than using poison. This method is very labor intensive and it only kills a few hogs before you have to start the process all over again. This is not a solution for the problem.
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Re: Poison approved to control feral hogs
[Re: krmitchell]
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02/27/17 02:09 PM
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I'm gonna let others be the guinea pigs. If it works well with little/no effects on other animals, I will poison them hopefully into oblivion.
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.
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Re: Poison approved to control feral hogs
[Re: krmitchell]
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02/28/17 04:17 AM
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I have not read every thread on here but I can tell you this.
the amount that another animal would have to ingest is huge, grown cow/800#.
this is going to be a bait, same as us using corn with jello added, there will not be enough in one feeder to kill a calf much less a full grown cow. the warfarin is mixed with the attractant and baited out.
from what I have gleaned on this it will be safe enough and I seriously doubt the state after yrs of study would knowingly put out ddt jr.
the warfarin is supposed to metabolize fast and be gone within a day or so (forget the actual amount of time but it was fast) so secondary kills are very unlikely.
we will see I guess.
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Re: Poison approved to control feral hogs
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02/28/17 04:29 AM
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it says if applied in grazing areas, then yes I would want them removed as well as a safety precaution. common sense
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Re: Poison approved to control feral hogs
[Re: hopalong]
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02/28/17 04:31 AM
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Sure, but you just said that it was safe and that a cow would have to ingest 800 pounds for it to be a problem. I definitely understand removing livestock during the poisoning, but 90 days after? Sounds like warfarin is a bit more of an issue for non-target species than they claim.
Also, do you really think that every poisoned hog is going to be buried 18 inches below the surface as recommended on the label? Why would you have to bury all the hogs if warfarin is so safe?
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Re: Poison approved to control feral hogs
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03/01/17 07:42 PM
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The idea of wildness needs no defense, it only needs more defenders.
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Re: Poison approved to control feral hogs
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03/01/17 08:46 PM
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Re: Poison approved to control feral hogs
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03/01/17 09:41 PM
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Gotta appreciate how Miller helped to "fast-track" this stuff. You know he did it after consulting with all knowledgeable parties, right? For example, here is TPWD's statement confidently backing up Miller as they were involved in this from the start (sarcasm)... Texas Parks and Wildlife Department (TPWD) has received numerous inquiries regarding the recent announcement from the Texas Department of Agriculture that the Warfarin-based toxicant, Kaput, has been approved for feral hog control in Texas. TPWD has recognized for many years that feral hogs pose substantial risks due to the damage they cause to wildlife, lands, habitat and crops. While TPWD has supported and encouraged responsible feral hog control management practices, it has not yet evaluated the risks and impacts this toxicant may have on non-target species when used as a means to control feral hog populations. TPWD is in the process of requesting the research information utilized by the EPA in recently approving the use of Kaput as a feral hog toxicant. Once an assessment of the research on Kaput is completed, TPWD hopes to express its position on the risks the use of this toxicant may have on Texas wildlife. Aren't you glad to know that this was so well researched before being approved?
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Re: Poison approved to control feral hogs
[Re: krmitchell]
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03/01/17 10:07 PM
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Yep, it sure looks like a rush job from where I sit … The Texas Department of Agriculture says the rule change is supported by the Texas A&M Agrilife Extension Service
East Texas News asked Nacogdoches County AgriLife Agent Ricky Thompson for input. He said agents were told by their supervisors not to speak on the controversial issue until after a consistent statement from Texas A&M Agrilife is formatted. Yeah, I feel better 
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Re: Poison approved to control feral hogs
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03/02/17 12:09 AM
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DNS, four other entities have the same concerns as TPWD. Only the Department of Agriculture has chosen to use Warfarin.
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Re: Poison approved to control feral hogs
[Re: krmitchell]
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03/02/17 12:19 AM
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I am sure there are several entities with concerns. It is just thsy you would think that with the wildlife issue being a major concern that TPWD would have been involved. Obviously, they were not.
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Re: Poison approved to control feral hogs
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03/02/17 01:56 AM
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They were and are, but they chose a different path. 
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Re: Poison approved to control feral hogs
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03/02/17 02:58 AM
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Their statement indicates Miller did not involve them in any significant manner.
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Re: Poison approved to control feral hogs
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03/02/17 04:20 AM
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Of course not, they disagree.
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Re: Poison approved to control feral hogs
[Re: krmitchell]
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03/02/17 07:35 PM
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Isn't that significant in and of itself? I would think that you would want an agency as well regarded as the TPWD to be on the same page as the Ag Commission before putting this plan into action. If the TPWD disagrees with the Ag Commission about the viability of Warfarin, I'm inclined to side with the TPWD. To me, that is the most concerning part of the whole thing.
I've long held that the TPWD is the best run, and perhaps only Texas Agency that is actually worth its salt. If they had no say in this process, or if they disagree with the use of Warfarin, that is a large red flag. I'm under the assumption that most people on this forum, and indeed most Texas hunters share similar views of the TPWD, but perhaps I am wrong.
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Re: Poison approved to control feral hogs
[Re: krmitchell]
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03/02/17 08:00 PM
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Being from Arkansas i don't know anything about Javelina but it would seem to me if they eat some of the same foods it would be almost impossible to not have a problem with them also eating the bait.
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