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 Question- Trophy buck shot but not found......
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12/03/16 08:06 PM
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Question- One of our hunters on our lease shot a huge 8 point (possibly 9, but the largest 8/9 point I have ever seen on camera) a week ago. We searched that night, and hours later we found it bedded down with the FLIR thermal scope and it jumped the buck. The right shoulder was broken, and blood poured out of him in the thermal scope when he got up slow and limped off, never to be found. He now has another buck on camera he wants to shoot. So, majority of our lease members think the 8 point he shot (and killed, but not recovered) was his buck for the year. I know legally he can kill another buck, and that's not the question. But ethically on a lease that is management minded, should he be able to kill another buck? What policies or unwritten rules do you have on your lease for situations like this? (This place about 10 years ago killed a 207 B&C, and 10 hunters were on it and only allowed 4 big bucks for the property on an allotment)
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Re: Question- Trophy buck shot but not found......
[Re: ChadTRG42]
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12/03/16 08:25 PM
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Drawing blood is the standard on every lease or package hunt I have been on. One and done.
He needs to reassess his equipment and shot placement.
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Re: Question- Trophy buck shot but not found......
[Re: ChadTRG42]
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12/03/16 08:26 PM
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swmays
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If there is no existing rule preventing a second try after not recovering his first try he gets to have a second go.
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Re: Question- Trophy buck shot but not found......
[Re: ChadTRG42]
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12/03/16 08:26 PM
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I would say he is done, but that's just my opinion/approach. I would certainly not shoot another buck under those circumstances. But it's gonna be very problematic to implement a new rule after the fact. That should be done prior to season. He will have every reason to be upset if he wants to be (which, apparently, he does).
Good luck!
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Re: Question- Trophy buck shot but not found......
[Re: ChadTRG42]
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12/03/16 08:33 PM
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swmays
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Got no problem with one and done. The after the fact part bothers me.
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Re: Question- Trophy buck shot but not found......
[Re: ChadTRG42]
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12/03/16 08:39 PM
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We have a drawn blood provision in the rules on our place. Been there over a decade because of this exact reason. I'd tell him he's killed his buck and to watch for vultures to recover the rack.
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Re: Question- Trophy buck shot but not found......
[Re: ChadTRG42]
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12/03/16 08:42 PM
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needs to be defined before, I can see both sides.
hold on Newt, we got a runaway
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Re: Question- Trophy buck shot but not found......
[Re: ChadTRG42]
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12/03/16 08:44 PM
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Agreement in our group would be He burned his Trophy Tag for the year and is done. Mature trophies are a finite resource, at least on our place.
And in case it's helpful, often, but not always, a good tracking dog can bay up a wounded buck so another shot can be put in him. Not trying to Monday Morning quarterback, just in case it is helpful down the road for y'all or someone reading the post. Sucks to lose a buck like that.
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Re: Question- Trophy buck shot but not found......
[Re: ChadTRG42]
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12/03/16 08:44 PM
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One and done. Better luck next year.
In the end, it's not the years in your life that count, it's the life in your years.
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Re: Question- Trophy buck shot but not found......
[Re: ChadTRG42]
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12/03/16 08:55 PM
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We have basically the same rule in place on the lease I am on. I shot a buck, long story, but could not find it after a 3 hour search that night, and all day the next morning. That is considered my 1 "shooter" buck for this season.
Actually our rule is this... everybody can take 1 "shooter". Once you have taken yours, you can not shoot another unless all 6 hunters have shot one also. That has never happened in the 7 years that I've been on this lease.
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Re: Question- Trophy buck shot but not found......
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12/03/16 09:12 PM
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On a paid hunt , blood equals he is yours. Shouldn't be any different on a lease
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Re: Question- Trophy buck shot but not found......
[Re: ChadTRG42]
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12/03/16 09:17 PM
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This rule would need to be in place before the season otherwise it would hard to enforce.
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Re: Question- Trophy buck shot but not found......
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12/03/16 09:35 PM
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He's done in my opinion. Just curious what caliber is he shooting. If he was that hurt with blood pouring out he didnt go far.
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Re: Question- Trophy buck shot but not found......
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12/03/16 10:10 PM
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He's done in my opinion. Just curious what caliber is he shooting. If he was that hurt with blood pouring out he didnt go far. I agree, he's done. What caliber and bullet?
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Re: Question- Trophy buck shot but not found......
[Re: ChadTRG42]
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12/03/16 10:13 PM
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Draw blood it's a kill. I agree with others that he is done.
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Re: Question- Trophy buck shot but not found......
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12/03/16 10:20 PM
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tlk
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I would say he is done, but that's just my opinion/approach. I would certainly not shoot another buck under those circumstances. But it's gonna be very problematic to implement a new rule after the fact. That should be done prior to season. He will have every reason to be upset if he wants to be (which, apparently, he does).
Good luck! This - if there was no blood and no sign the deer was hit then that is a different story. But knowing it was hit that is his trophy. That is pretty standard procedure on most leases with trophies but NP is right - those rules should be in place prior to the season -
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Re: Question- Trophy buck shot but not found......
[Re: ChadTRG42]
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12/03/16 10:24 PM
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We would also have brought in dogs - they have found several of our trophies that were wounded
Last edited by tlk; 12/03/16 10:46 PM.
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Re: Question- Trophy buck shot but not found......
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12/03/16 10:28 PM
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Drawing blood is the standard on every lease or package hunt I have been on. One and done.
He needs to reassess his equipment and shot placement.
Exactly!
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Re: Question- Trophy buck shot but not found......
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12/03/16 10:30 PM
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And how many times has he fired the rifle at a target since last season.
"Some people will never like you because your spirit irritates their demons."
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Re: Question- Trophy buck shot but not found......
[Re: ChadTRG42]
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12/03/16 10:34 PM
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I personally would not feel right about going after another buck and I have even enforced this rule upon myself with doe the year I lost one. Herd quality and numbers vary from property to property and year to year but sometimes rules need to be in place for such instances.
If all the other hunters on your place agree he is done it sounds like the majority has spoken.
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Re: Question- Trophy buck shot but not found......
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12/03/16 10:41 PM
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Like others have said he is done for the season, in my opinion. It's just as dead weather you recover it or not.
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Re: Question- Trophy buck shot but not found......
[Re: ChadTRG42]
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12/03/16 10:44 PM
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If you guys are allowed management deer, it would be a nice gesture to let him shoot a nice one. I feel like all the others in that he's shot his trophy.
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Re: Question- Trophy buck shot but not found......
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12/03/16 11:01 PM
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tlk
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Question- One of our hunters on our lease shot a huge 8 point (possibly 9, but the largest 8/9 point I have ever seen on camera) a week ago. We searched that night, and hours later we found it bedded down with the FLIR thermal scope and it jumped the buck. The right shoulder was broken, and blood poured out of him in the thermal scope when he got up slow and limped off, never to be found. He now has another buck on camera he wants to shoot. So, majority of our lease members think the 8 point he shot (and killed, but not recovered) was his buck for the year. I know legally he can kill another buck, and that's not the question. But ethically on a lease that is management minded, should he be able to kill another buck? What policies or unwritten rules do you have on your lease for situations like this? (This place about 10 years ago killed a 207 B&C, and 10 hunters were on it and only allowed 4 big bucks for the property on an allotment) why didn't yall bring in dogs to track? Would have found him with that kind of blood trail
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Re: Question- Trophy buck shot but not found......
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12/03/16 11:05 PM
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Drawing blood is the standard on every lease or package hunt I have been on. One and done.
That's my rule, and the outfitters I hunt with.
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Re: Question- Trophy buck shot but not found......
[Re: swmays]
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12/03/16 11:08 PM
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If there is no existing rule preventing a second try after not recovering his first try he gets to have a second go. This^^^^^^
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