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Knockdown power is a myth
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10/14/16 01:51 PM
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Much has been written on the topic from both handgun and rifle perspectives.
The current issue of Deer and Deer Hunting magazine includes a good, thought-provoking article that addresses the issue.
"Some people will never like you because your spirit irritates their demons."
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Re: Knockdown power is a myth
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10/14/16 02:22 PM
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I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that my 3/4 ton pickup has plenty of knockdown power. But bullets? Not so much.
Silver spurs and gold tequila keep me hanging on. Pretty girls and old cantinas give me shelter from the storm.
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Re: Knockdown power is a myth
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10/14/16 02:27 PM
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Shot placement. Good placement, good results. Bad placement, not so good results.
Are idiots multiplying faster than normal people?
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Re: Knockdown power is a myth
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10/14/16 02:30 PM
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You really love that magazine... I can just point my 300 UltraMag in the general direction of the deer and they fall down from the percussion alone
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Re: Knockdown power is a myth
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10/14/16 02:33 PM
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Shot placement. Good placement, good results. Bad placement, not so good results. I shot a doe this past weekend with my weatherby. I'll save the details but my rifle was shooting way high (later confirmed on paper) I missed one doe trying a neck shot then shot the next one right behind the shoulder, bullet hit and knocked her stone dead. When I got down there it clipped the top of her back. I'm convinced that the sheer speed of the weatherby round sent enough shock to kill her, had it been my .270 I think she would have got up and ran off Moral of the story.....shoot a weatherby
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: Knockdown power is a myth
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10/14/16 02:36 PM
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Shot placement. Good placement, good results. Bad placement, not so good results. I shot a doe this past weekend with my weatherby. I'll save the details but my rifle was shooting way high (later confirmed on paper) I missed one doe trying a neck shot then shot the next one right behind the shoulder, bullet hit and knocked her stone dead. When I got down there it clipped the top of her back. I'm convinced that the sheer speed of the weatherby round sent enough shock to kill her, had it been my .270 I think she would have got up and ran off Moral of the story.....shoot a weatherby Moral of the story.....learn to sight your rifle in before you go on a hunt so you can put the bullet where it needs to be. Not after you whiff a few shots......
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Re: Knockdown power is a myth
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10/14/16 02:37 PM
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Shot placement. Good placement, good results. Bad placement, not so good results. Fully agree If you want a deer to drop right there then shoot the CNS like we do with a high shoulder shot.
lf the saying "Liar, Liar your pants on fire" were true Mainstream news might be fun to watch
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Re: Knockdown power is a myth
[Re: stxranchman]
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10/14/16 02:42 PM
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txshntr
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Shot placement. Good placement, good results. Bad placement, not so good results. Margin of error doesn't change?
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Re: Knockdown power is a myth
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10/14/16 02:47 PM
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I always aim for the ham and try to clip the artery the bigger the bullet the better.
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Re: Knockdown power is a myth
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10/14/16 02:48 PM
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I've dropped plenty of deer, big deer with a .243, several from 200+ yards. Shot placement
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Re: Knockdown power is a myth
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10/14/16 02:52 PM
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You really love that magazine... I can just point my 300 UltraMag in the general direction of the deer and they fall down from the percussion alone Percussion?
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Re: Knockdown power is a myth
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10/14/16 02:53 PM
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You really love that magazine... I can just point my 300 UltraMag in the general direction of the deer and they fall down from the percussion alone Percussion? My gun is musical
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Re: Knockdown power is a myth
[Re: MckinneyRifleHunter]
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10/14/16 02:55 PM
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I've dropped plenty of deer, big deer with a .243, several from 200+ yards. Shot placement There are a lot of kids that have done the same. IMO, the key is to shoot what you feel comfortable with and concentrate on shot placement. And for TT85...check your zero
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Re: Knockdown power is a myth
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10/14/16 03:37 PM
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I've dropped plenty of deer, big deer with a .243, several from 200+ yards. Shot placement There are a lot of kids that have done the same. IMO, the key is to shoot what you feel comfortable with and concentrate on shot placement. And for TT85...check your zero i think smaller calibers just get a bad reputation because they are what most of the young ones use and they can be more likely to make a bad shot (disclaimer some kids can outshoot me) I'm just one of those people who never upgraded because I never had a problem taking deer down with it.
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Re: Knockdown power is a myth
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10/14/16 03:50 PM
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txtrophy85
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Shot placement. Good placement, good results. Bad placement, not so good results. I shot a doe this past weekend with my weatherby. I'll save the details but my rifle was shooting way high (later confirmed on paper) I missed one doe trying a neck shot then shot the next one right behind the shoulder, bullet hit and knocked her stone dead. When I got down there it clipped the top of her back. I'm convinced that the sheer speed of the weatherby round sent enough shock to kill her, had it been my .270 I think she would have got up and ran off Moral of the story.....shoot a weatherby Moral of the story.....learn to sight your rifle in before you go on a hunt so you can put the bullet where it needs to be. Not after you whiff a few shots...... I'm gonna pull my all my rifles out next week and take them to the range. I have a .270 that I sighted in back in 01' that I never have had to mess with since. I put the weatherby up last year and this year it was shooting 5" high and 2" left.... Can't explain it, didn't drop it, to my knowledge it didn't get bumped....maybe someone messed with it playing a joke on me
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: Knockdown power is a myth
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10/14/16 04:25 PM
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Newton's 3rd Law.....if it knocks you down, it'll knock something down on the other end.
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Re: Knockdown power is a myth
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10/14/16 04:38 PM
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All mine have been lung shots, and none have made it passed 25 yds. I shoot a .270. Shot placement, shot placement, shot placement.
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Re: Knockdown power is a myth
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10/14/16 04:44 PM
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All mine have been lung shots, and none have made it passed 25 yds. I shoot a .270. Shot placement, shot placement, shot placement. Bullet design also matters
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: Knockdown power is a myth
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10/14/16 04:54 PM
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My dad shoots an old 1894 30-30 with the cheapest bullets he can find, and he drops them with no problems. He is old school. I think a lot of people over think it. But then again we don't take any shots over 200 yds.
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Re: Knockdown power is a myth
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10/14/16 05:15 PM
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I always aim for the ham and try to clip the artery the bigger the bullet the better. ^^^ This! Clip an artery, and it leaves a good blood trail, too. I don't know, a Texas heart shot does pretty good. I think anything will go down if you shoot them up the [censored]!
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Re: Knockdown power is a myth
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10/14/16 05:18 PM
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I always aim for the ham and try to clip the artery the bigger the bullet the better. ^^^ This! Clip an artery, and it leaves a good blood trail, too. I don't know, a Texas heart shot does pretty good. I think anything will go down if you shoot them up the [censored]! I've only had to make one Texas Heart Shot in my lifetime. And the deer dropped in its tracks.
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Re: Knockdown power is a myth
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10/14/16 05:22 PM
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This needs more cow bell. You really love that magazine... I can just point my 300 UltraMag in the general direction of the deer and they fall down from the percussion alone Percussion?
Mike Buda, Tx Hunt near Freer
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Re: Knockdown power is a myth
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10/14/16 05:23 PM
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I've dropped plenty of deer, big deer with a .243, several from 200+ yards. Shot placement There are a lot of kids that have done the same. IMO, the key is to shoot what you feel comfortable with and concentrate on shot placement. And for TT85...check your zero i think smaller calibers just get a bad reputation because they are what most of the young ones use and they can be more likely to make a bad shot (disclaimer some kids can outshoot me) I'm just one of those people who never upgraded because I never had a problem taking deer down with it. I public hunt in Arkansas a lot and on the drawn hunts there are NO rifles. Black Powder and Shotguns only...with no buckshot. The only firearm I've ever killed a deer with is a 20 gauge 870. I've never had an animal run more than 40 yards but you better believe I get an ear-full from everyone who knows better than me...My gun will shoot 4 inch groups at 80 yards, but a crack shot could probably get better results than that. Love hunting with that gun.
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Re: Knockdown power is a myth
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10/14/16 05:27 PM
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I've been screaming this very argument for years. I've heard a lot about this mysterious force known as "Knock Down Power", and yet nobody can explain it.
As a homicide investigator you learn that trauma is what kills. Permanent wound channels, tissue and organ damage, and blood loss. The transfer of kinetic energy into a body can cause shock, but is not necessarily responsible for killing.
Therefore, shot placement into critical organs and blood loss is what kills.
Mike Buda, Tx Hunt near Freer
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Re: Knockdown power is a myth
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10/15/16 12:12 AM
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You really love that magazine... It's the only one that I read, having dropped my subscriptions to Outdoor Life and Field and Stream several years ago. Those just seemed to repurpose the same articles with new titles, season after season. IMO, D&DH covers a lot more on deer behavior and research than any other hunting-related magazine. Not to give away the jest of the article mentioned, the writer draws attention to the fact that any bullet that misses a deer's central nervous system will not create a knockdown. Those who tout the benefits of the high shoulder shot (which can damage the spine) will enjoy reading it.
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