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Re: How to properly kill a rattlesnake
[Re: pegasaurus]
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06/05/16 03:01 AM
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SapperTitan
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My preferred method is my BushMonkey through their head.
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Re: How to properly kill a rattlesnake
[Re: pegasaurus]
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06/07/16 02:12 PM
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Re: How to properly kill a rattlesnake
[Re: pegasaurus]
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06/07/16 02:47 PM
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Looks like a great way to get bitten.
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Re: How to properly kill a rattlesnake
[Re: pegasaurus]
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06/07/16 09:40 PM
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Glad he pointed out how a severed head can still cause an envenomation. Whipping a live snake in the air is an excellent way to catch its fang on any part of your body. Just ask the dead individuals from the church in Kentucky. The snake was not trying to attack. He countinously harassed the animal, constantly risking envenomations. He even picked it up with his hands, which a trained individual would never do. Use this video as a great source for what NOT to do. Of course, if you'd like to meet me in person at the hospital AFTER your envenomations, we can do that to, but I'd rather help before some stupid human trick backfires on some poor idiot that took this guys advice.
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Re: How to properly kill a rattlesnake
[Re: TrainedSnakeSpecialist]
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06/08/16 01:47 PM
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I suspect we may have some interesting conversations in the future, I've been hit 4 times.
Yes! A Weatherby does kill them deader.
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Re: How to properly kill a rattlesnake
[Re: HWY_MAN]
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06/08/16 03:29 PM
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I suspect we may have some interesting conversations in the future, I've been hit 4 times. I'd love to know more. Statistically, 1% are legitimate accidental bites, like a kid stepping on one. If you've had that many accidental, not only you a rarity, but you're proof again that you will most likely survive a bite. Only 20 people have died since 2000 from snakebites, so you're a great person to explain that a bite is not a death sentence, and it's not a "kill or be killed " scenario. If you want to message me off the main thread, I'd love to chat more.
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Re: How to properly kill a rattlesnake
[Re: HWY_MAN]
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06/08/16 03:32 PM
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I suspect we may have some interesting conversations in the future, I've been hit 4 times. I think we can both agree that whipping around a venomous snake is equivalent to spinning a loaded and cocked gun on your finger : )
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Re: How to properly kill a rattlesnake
[Re: pegasaurus]
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06/08/16 04:06 PM
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Had an uncle that would do that popping them like a towel. Can't recall seeing him do it to a rattlesnake but was told he did and saw him do it to several other snakes. Always thought he was a dumbarse.
I've been bitten by 0% of the ones I've smashed with a shovel, cut off the heads with a shovel, shot with a 12 gauge, shot with a 22, and beaten to death with a spinnerbait on the end of a rod and reel (yes that really happened).
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Re: How to properly kill a rattlesnake
[Re: aggiehunter03]
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06/08/16 04:09 PM
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Had an uncle that would do that popping them like a towel. Can't recall seeing him do it to a rattlesnake but was told he did and saw him do it to several other snakes. Always thought he was a dumbarse.
I've been bitten by 0% of the ones I've smashed with a shovel, cut off the heads with a shovel, shot with a 12 gauge, shot with a 22, and beaten to death with a spinnerbait on the end of a rod and reel (yes that really happened).
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Re: How to properly kill a rattlesnake
[Re: titan2232]
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06/08/16 08:10 PM
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Had an uncle that would do that popping them like a towel. Can't recall seeing him do it to a rattlesnake but was told he did and saw him do it to several other snakes. Always thought he was a dumbarse.
I've been bitten by 0% of the ones I've smashed with a shovel, cut off the heads with a shovel, shot with a 12 gauge, shot with a 22, and beaten to death with a spinnerbait on the end of a rod and reel (yes that really happened).
I believe in science and I’m an insufferable [censored] Actually, BBC is pretty damn good "You Cannot Simultaneously Be Politically Correct And Intellectually Honest!"
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Re: How to properly kill a rattlesnake
[Re: SapperTitan]
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06/08/16 08:36 PM
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My preferred method is my BushMonkey through their head. Had one 64" long that I picked up and was holding. Wrapped around my forearm and was trying to pull it's head back through my hand. Had to set it's head on the chopping block and do this as I could see no way to turn loose without getting bitten.
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Re: How to properly kill a rattlesnake
[Re: TrainedSnakeSpecialist]
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06/08/16 08:42 PM
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Double Naught Spy
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I'd love to know more. Statistically, 1% are legitimate accidental bites, like a kid stepping on one. If you've had that many accidental, not only you a rarity, but you're proof again that you will most likely survive a bite. Only 20 people have died since 2000 from snakebites, so you're a great person to explain that a bite is not a death sentence, and it's not a "kill or be killed " scenario. If you want to message me off the main thread, I'd love to chat more.
I don't think "accidental" means what you think it means. The bites are wholly intentional. The snake is just doing what it does in such a circumstance. I count 32. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_snake_bites_in_the_United_StatesYou see, when you went to Wiki to get your snake expert statistics, you only counted the bites from the 2010s. You neglected the previous data going back to 2000. These folks claim that approximately 5-6 people die each year from snake bite in the US, a small number compared to the 7000+ people bitten, but a number HUGELY larger that what you claim. http://ufwildlife.ifas.ufl.edu/venomous_snake_faqs.shtmlOf course, the reason we don't have more fatalities isn't because snakes aren't that lethal, but because of access of medical treatment.
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Re: How to properly kill a rattlesnake
[Re: titan2232]
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06/08/16 08:43 PM
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Had an uncle that would do that popping them like a towel. Can't recall seeing him do it to a rattlesnake but was told he did and saw him do it to several other snakes. Always thought he was a dumbarse.
I've been bitten by 0% of the ones I've smashed with a shovel, cut off the heads with a shovel, shot with a 12 gauge, shot with a 22, and beaten to death with a spinnerbait on the end of a rod and reel (yes that really happened). I had a lot of fun growing up catching water snakes with sluggos and frogs when the fish weren't cooperating...you quickly learn to set the hook low and to the side to prevent them big ticked off jokers from going airborne.
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Re: How to properly kill a rattlesnake
[Re: Double Naught Spy]
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06/09/16 05:09 PM
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I'd love to know more. Statistically, 1% are legitimate accidental bites, like a kid stepping on one. If you've had that many accidental, not only you a rarity, but you're proof again that you will most likely survive a bite. Only 20 people have died since 2000 from snakebites, so you're a great person to explain that a bite is not a death sentence, and it's not a "kill or be killed " scenario. If you want to message me off the main thread, I'd love to chat more.
I don't think "accidental" means what you think it means. The bites are wholly intentional. The snake is just doing what it does in such a circumstance. I count 32. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_snake_bites_in_the_United_StatesYou see, when you went to Wiki to get your snake expert statistics, you only counted the bites from the 2010s. You neglected the previous data going back to 2000. These folks claim that approximately 5-6 people die each year from snake bite in the US, a small number compared to the 7000+ people bitten, but a number HUGELY larger that what you claim. http://ufwildlife.ifas.ufl.edu/venomous_snake_faqs.shtmlOf course, the reason we don't have more fatalities isn't because snakes aren't that lethal, but because of access of medical treatment. "accidental" in the terms i was using it, means a true accident when someone steps on one that they didnt see, and werent trying to harm, and wasnt a keeper who was putting himself in a position to have something happen. I appreciate your fact checking, youre 100% right. ive reittereated the statistics so many times i can even get off by a certain degree. but since you would like to discuss statistics, i hope you noticed only 6 in texas since 2000. 1 was a cobra a keeper used to commit suicide.(coulda been avoided) 1 was a child that was 1 year old. 1 was a diamond back that someone was admittedly trying to kill. (coulda been avoided) 1 was a guy "pulling up his pants", which i admit i am unaware of the back story, but seems interesting 1 was a copperhead, and thats the most concerning to me. it lists 5 deaths since 2000 from copperhead bites. bites from this species are considered non life threatening by the medical field. At the venom conference hosted by Rice university in 2014, a presenter and doctor announced to the room of physicians and first responders that copperehad bites were over treated and that no one had died from a copperhead bite in 10 years. that alone is dangerous information to share with hopsital staff, as it gives them a relaxed atmosphere towards copperehad bites, which if im not mistaken (because im not gonna check wiki right now) make up the majority of bites in texas. If any of the victims had been made aware that a bottle of benydryl in their ruck sack could have stopped the fatal anyphalatic shock that accompanied the bite, they may still be here. Rattlesnakes can kill ya, period. i dont see a reason to put my hands on them or take unneeded risk by whipping them around when as many stated, you could just shoot it. Im not sure your qoute of "hugely" is accurate, but i guess words over statistics can be misleading. out of the 32 you mentioned, 13 were easily avoidable. dont pick em up and dont mess with em. hell, 3 of em were religous snake handlers, pretty sure that could have been avoided. heres another great one ill share before you need to look it up. 40% of people bitten put themselves in harms way. of that number, 40% had a bac of .1 or higher. "many" bites (guess ill neeed a real number here at some point) require little treatment besides cleaning the wound and a tetnaus shot. those bites are not because of treatment levels, those are called "dry" bites, something i have witnessed and is still contiually studied. why does venom have toxins to cause pain instead of just kill? why and how do they determine the amount of venom to inject and why does it vary? we know that part of their venom is produced to specifially cause whatever animal it is defending itself against to not die, but to cause pain and almost make it remember that it hurts to mess with snakes. hmans are slow learners though. i appreciate you calling me out. i preer to share as much as possible on these sublects and i enjoy being fact checked. it shows you care for the accurate information instead of just going by what everyone says around a camp fire. people like you make it eaier to share facts instead of stories. thanks for commenting and please keep the conversation going.
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Re: How to properly kill a rattlesnake
[Re: TrainedSnakeSpecialist]
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06/09/16 05:54 PM
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thanks for commenting and please keep the conversation going. Still waiting for you to provide best practices for dealing with snakebite in the field.
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Re: How to properly kill a rattlesnake
[Re: thewrap]
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06/12/16 02:31 AM
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Pretty sure a 12ga to the head works just as well. And I don't have to catch it first. This.
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Re: How to properly kill a rattlesnake
[Re: pegasaurus]
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06/15/16 05:27 PM
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Re: How to properly kill a rattlesnake
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06/18/16 12:55 PM
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ELKMTB
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Coming to an er near you, hope he has food insurance
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Re: How to properly kill a rattlesnake
[Re: pegasaurus]
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06/18/16 12:56 PM
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Re: How to properly kill a rattlesnake
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07/01/16 07:12 PM
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I'm not sure if I killed a rattler the correct way... All I know is that I used every last .22 LR Hollow Point that I had in my Walther P22...11 shots. It died. I was going to skin it until I saw all the holes in it. Blew that puppy up. He was only a foot away from my left foot when I started shooting.
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Re: How to properly kill a rattlesnake
[Re: passthru]
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07/02/16 01:47 AM
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That looks fairly proper to me
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Re: How to properly kill a rattlesnake
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07/03/16 02:22 AM
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Pretty sure a 12ga to the head works just as well. And I don't have to catch it first. Yep, that is my preferred method too.
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Re: How to properly kill a rattlesnake
[Re: pegasaurus]
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07/08/16 01:09 AM
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Can't wait to try this! Had previously only utilized shotgun technique.
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Re: How to properly kill a rattlesnake
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07/11/16 06:45 PM
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Can't wait to try this! Had previously only utilized shotgun technique. assuming that was sarcasm
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