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Why would showing your CHL when buying a gun from an individual unacceptable? You show your driver license to buy beer and cigs, but you can't be troubled to show your CHL when buying a gun?

why should a chl be a requirement for buying a gun, that would still be an infringment of my freedom.
im old enough i dont get carded anymore

I'm not saying that a CHL would be required to buy a gun you could still go into a gun store and do an NICS check. I'm saying a CHL is an easy indicator that the person has passed an extensive background check, paid his taxes, has no felonies, pays his child support, and so on.

Fine lets not do the CHL how about a "background check card". You do a one time background check and you get a card in the mail and it is good for 5 years just like the CHL. You can use that background check card to buy/sell/trade FTF with other individuals, no card you must do the transfer at an FFL. In 5 years you'll have to re-certify your background check card same as CHL. They run another extensive background check on you and reissue a new card good for 5 years. Same as with the CHL you must report any changes like change or residences and so on. If you fail to do it your card will be suspended. Pretty much same rules as the CHL. You could even use these in gun stores to bypass the NICS check same as CHL. Also there will be no gun registry or paper trail because you'll still be doing FTF deals and buying/selling/trading with individuals you'll just have a concrete way of telling whether or not a person is legal to own a gun or not. Pretty simple stuff here.

Its like an instant background check in your pocket... I better patent this [censored].. LOL

What freedom loss? There is no loss. The loss is to the people who shouldn't have a firearm to begin with! That's their loss for being a criminal. I stay clean so I have my freedoms intact, and passing a simple background check will not impede my freedoms one bit, or anyone else's. If others are criminals, they lose their freedoms. That's why we have a prison system!

Where did I say FFL's have it bad? I think you are assuming way too much here.

To say no liberty has been lost is to overlook the liberty stolen by NFA and GCA68. This is all just a warmup and letting out the clutch to get things moving. The throttle ain't been touched. Yet.

I really have to wonder about anyone who fears other people's freedom.

There was not and are not "loopholes at a gun shows". If you purchased a gun at a gun show from a vendor you still went through a back ground check. Why does this statement keep coming up.

I am probably going to get beat to mush on this, but here I go. I think that background checks should be in place to keep a gun out of the hand of some gangbanger wanna be, or some crazy that's going to shoot up a mall or school, or whatever is in their demented mind.

background checks are alreay in place. if im a "gangbanger" and i want a gun would i not lie on the paperwork or steal one from a vehicle or house or find one of my buddies to give me one. any person that wants a gun will find a way to get a gun with or without a check.

I don't know how you would be able to resale a gun to your buddy or some stranger that reaches out and buy's what you post in a classified ad since there isn't a background check for those. Closing the loophole at a gun show should be no different than buying it from a gun shop,

this one always makes me laugh what gunshow loophole a licensed ffl has to do the same thing at a gun show that he must at his place of business. and a private party may sale to a person same as they could out side of a gunshow.

and if you can't get on a plane because your on the no fly list, then you shouldn't be able to buy a gun either,

why is the person on the no fly list?

but how and who will do the testing for the insane person that buys it?

define insane? this will be a trouble spot are you insane if you ever seen a shrink? that would depend on the shrink to decide if you are "in the right mind to be trusted" i hope i never have to have people make decisions on my behalf.

I'm sorry if I don't understand all of the discussion, so when you reply please educate and explain the point, not beat up on me for not knowing everything about gun laws. I do know that when you travel out of state, you had better know the laws of the states your going to be in or traveling thru so you stay out of trouble.

There was not and are not "loopholes at a gun shows". If you purchased a gun at a gun show from a vendor you still went through a back ground check. Why does this statement keep coming up.

As an individual, you can buy a table at a gun show for about $20-$40 to sell whatever you want for the weekend. If you buy firearms to sell or have "your personal collection", you can sell them to whomever walks up with money in hand. This individual is not an FFL, and there is no paperwork or background check done to know that the person you are selling it to has the right to own or possess a firearm. What this EO is wanting to do, is if you are "in the business of dealing guns" (which has not been fully defined yet) is requiring a background check, which will require the seller to be a dealer.

Also, as an individual, you can bring your own firearm and walk around with it to find a buyer. It's a simple cash transaction, no paperwork or background check.

Yes, there are some FFL's at gun shows. But there are a lot of transactions that happen with a simple cash transaction.

There was not and are not "loopholes at a gun shows". If you purchased a gun at a gun show from a vendor you still went through a back ground check. Why does this statement keep coming up.

If we were not such a p###sy whipped country this topic would never be an issue but there is a class of people out there that believe if you limit peoples rights you can stop bad people from doing bad things. I hate to be the bearer of bad news but it does not work that way.

I am probably going to get beat to mush on this, but here I go. I think that background checks should be in place to keep a gun out of the hand of some gangbanger wanna be, or some crazy that's going to shoot up a mall or school, or whatever is in their demented mind. I don't know how you would be able to resale a gun to your buddy or some stranger that reaches out and buy's what you post in a classified ad since there isn't a background check for those. Closing the loophole at a gun show should be no different than buying it from a gun shop, and if you can't get on a plane because your on the no fly list, then you shouldn't be able to buy a gun either, but how and who will do the testing for the insane person that buys it? I'm sorry if I don't understand all of the discussion, so when you reply please educate and explain the point, not beat up on me for not knowing everything about gun laws. I do know that when you travel out of state, you had better know the laws of the states your going to be in or traveling thru so you stay out of trouble.

you are correct

explain to us how this is a loop hole? the "gunshow Loophole" the PO(TU)S referances and the anti gun folk info pushed out to the masses is that there are no background checks done at a gun show, which is false. those required to do them do them to remain in good standing with the licensing agency.

I am sorry i almost feel like i am picking on you, but really.

at one time you could walk into a store buy a gun and walk out w a reciept being the only paperwork completed even for a machine gun, this should never have changed. our 2nd amendment right have slowly been chipped away and i refuse to surrender any more of my freedoms for govt control. If we were not such a p###sy whipped country this topic would never be an issue but there is a class of people out there that believe if you limit peoples rights you can stop bad people from doing bad things. I hate to be the bearer of bad news but it does not work that way.